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will anyone think of Keiko the Whale :(
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will anyone think of Keiko the Whale :(
i miss that whale too
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impure is a jewel in the roughimpure is a jewel in the roughimpure is a jewel in the roughimpure is a jewel in the rough
i'm not saying capture and cage these animals, i'm saying take the wounded or sick and help them, release them if AT ALL possible but if not, why release them to certain death?
a heron with a limp is far diffrent from sparticus who couldn't catch prey.
no prey = no food, no food = starvation and death.
is it more fair to release an animal to the wild when you know he's going to die? rather than to allow him to live a happy, healthy life with humans?
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if you're planning on helping this bird then send him to a home within his natural habitat and after he gets to know the place where the food is set out for him, set him free and he will fly happily all day long until he's hungry and he'll go back to where the food is left for him..you don't need to keep a mentally handicapped child in a cage for the rest of his life because he can't survive on his own..you provide for them. And if a person really cared they would let these birds live however they please..
Birds of prey also can grasp the understanding of scavenging for food..
I know this because there's two eagles in shearwater that come every day at 3 o'clock to get the scraps from the kitchen. They even know what time it is, and they know who feeds them too;)
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unfortunately that's not how it works.
usualy when you start free feeding animals like that they bring their friends.
it's also not safe to release a handicapped animal to the wild.
at owl the give them massive sanctuarys to live in, and they live with other wild birds who are going to be released.
there's one there who's this ancient bald eagle named skeletor who is missing an eye who raises babies that are rescued and teaches them.
perhaps the real problem is the birds being hurt in the first place.
human interferance is the biggest problem.
we used to get baby birds whom humans had "rescued" on their own and tried to raise, problem is, most people don't have the knowledge or resources to give a baby bird the nourishment it needs. we got a couple sparrow hawks in that someone had tried to raise on their own but by feeding them ground beef and rice and such they didn't give them the calcium their little bones needed.
their wings wound up snapping off when the were struggling to walk around in their box during an examination. and these babies were still just that, babies, but due to the fact that they didn't get the proper nutrients, they died.
we also got an adult bald eagle in that appeared to be poisioned. he was vomiting green smelly stuff and was VERY sick.
we think a neighbouring farmer had poisioned him because he was terrorizing the farmers chickens.
so really i think the problem is us.
we need to stop encroaching on animals natural habitat.
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if you're planning on helping this bird then send him to a home within his natural habitat and after he gets to know the place where the food is set out for him, set him free and he will fly happily all day long until he's hungry and he'll go back to where the food is left for him..you don't need to keep a mentally handicapped child in a cage for the rest of his life because he can't survive on his own..you provide for them. And if a person really cared they would let these birds live however they please..
Birds of prey also can grasp the understanding of scavenging for food..
I know this because there's two eagles in shearwater that come every day at 3 o'clock to get the scraps from the kitchen. They even know what time it is, and they know who feeds them too;)
this bird im talking about is not one i have, you seem to misunderstand.
it's a bird at OWL.
he's old, healed and was rescued YEARS ago.
i just befriended him while i volunteered there.
he's not my bird, my bird is a rad little parrot named jake.
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a bird of prey could never live a happy healthy life in a cage..

Those birds need miles and miles of wind and air. They relax in the clouds soaring down to earth, wings spread, speaking to one another. If you think that your relationship with the bird is of any comparison and that saving them from starvation in the wild by keeping them close to you in a cage deserves brownie points, that's just selfishness.
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I just think that any type of cage is bad news..
I think that a pet rodent is bad news..
I think pet birds is even worse..
I think that anyone who buys a pet because they're "saving it from the store to give it love in their home" is supporting this disgusting habit of selfish behaviour..
Unless you have land where these animals can run free and wild then it's wrong to think your home is their home.
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I have a dog.
Now that's a pet.
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once you take the "wild" out of an animal, you can never put an animal back in the wild.
example- one eagle was tamed and hand trained by a woman named elizabeth. seems cut and dried, but noooooooooooooo. that bird then lost it's fear of humans. it had a dominant personality and saw humans as food objects, so it started attacking. she can never be released. ever.

one of the scariest things i've ever seen was a 75lb full grown bald eagle screaming and flying at me. i'm 6'2 and she was WAY BIGGER THAN ME!
it was terrifying.

oh, and as for jake, my bird, he's a sassy little bastard who's cage door is open ALL the time. as far as he's concerned, he dosn't live in my house, i live in his.
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I have a dog.
Now that's a pet.
2 dogs and a horse.
but how is keeping a dog tied up or in a yard or house diffrent than caging a bird?
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2 dogs and a horse.
but how is keeping a dog tied up or in a yard or house diffrent than caging a bird?
Well...try this test. Bring your bird outside every day for a "fly" for like an hour or so and see if he comes when you call him..
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Well...try this test. Bring your bird outside every day for a "fly" for like an hour or so and see if he comes when you call him..
mine never came back :(
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Well...try this test. Bring your bird outside every day for a "fly" for like an hour or so and see if he comes when you call him..
he's a parrot, if he didn't come back, he'd die.
he's a green cheeked conure, they're from south america i believe, and quite rare in canada.
he does come when i call though, he talks to me when i come home.
and when my ex boyfriend comes over he goes NUTS, he's in love with my ex.
seriously, when he hears my ex's truck down the street he starts screaming for him, it's so cute.

oh, and jake has gone outside, hell, i used to leave his cage outside in the summer, but he's been outside loose, he knows how to use the doggy door, and he comes back. (we don't leave him unattended, he has no fear of animals, he thinks HE'S the boss of all the dogs, he tries to beat them up!)
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