Criminal justice system 'on the brink of imploding'

[Behn]

If pot was legalized, the gov. would make a huge profit off of it and then there would be harsh penalties(such as for drinking and driving, which in my opion is nothing alike) the gov would benifit so much off of us, i think it fine the way it is, no one care if any one smokes pot, anywhere for that.... so people be happy and go smoke a joint while you can :D

[Only_Glory]

I cannot stand when i hear people say,
"weed is bad"
"why" i ask
"because it is a drug" she says
"so is tylenol" i say
"but weed is illegal, thats why it's bad" she says
this is a true convo. sometimes i wish i could just get a hammer and pound the fuck off the boxes they live in.
these kind of people are the ones who believe everything the government says, or everything the media would say. these are the people who think yes we should spend more money in order to increase law enforcement to stop this problem.

it is true, weed is a gateway drug. but we are moving into the future and most of us will predict what will happen in the long run future. first the drug gets accepted by the society, then the drug becomes legal. people will do harder drugs, such as ecstasy, then it will become accepted/legal. and then the world becomes this one huge party scene where absolutely everything is controlled by machines but it's okay because everyone has a flying car. any ways there would be less war then, much more peace, unity and acceptance. otherwise the world at that peak would not survive. ORGY PORGY!!!

i geuss long story short, we are currently fighting a battle and the results in the future will be obvious

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by Only_Glory

it is true, weed is a gateway drug. but we are moving into the future and most of us will predict what will happen in the long run future. first the drug gets accepted by the society, then the drug becomes legal. people will do harder drugs, such as ecstasy, then it will become accepted/legal. and then the world becomes this one huge party scene where absolutely everything is controlled by machines but it's okay because everyone has a flying car. any ways there would be less war then, much more peace, unity and acceptance. otherwise the world at that peak would not survive. ORGY PORGY!!!

LOL if only

then have major airlines turn their planes into party planes. just have it all dark with laser shows and everybody gets some pure mdma haha if they had that the terrorists woulda been like shiiiiiiiit i don't wanna kill all those people anymore! i love everybody! *turns plane away from towers* fewf !

[decypher]

Well everytime a growop is busted, 5 more sprout up down the street.

What's even more ridicoulous is the US drug czar's current statement that accounts of people submitted to the ER because of marijuana has "risen"

It's all us canadians fault!

[xxViceRoyxx]

From the point of view of someone who is studying law and crime, I stand strongly by de-criminalizing and eliminating those useless laws about marajuana and such for a few simple reasons:

1) Many harmless criminals are thrown into jail for crimes that dont hurt other people, smoking weed and posession of weed. Those people turn into actual criminals when thrown into jail, because prision in itself is a school of crime turning harmless people into actual criminals - they interact with actual criminals and learn more about crime and get smarter at it.

2) Funds that are being thrown unproductively and invested in useless training programs can be invested into more usefull things, put towards programs for criminals and victims who actually need it. As you learn more about the system you begin to realize that the victims are severly neglected in the process of dealing with crime.

The concept of harsher laws and deterrence is useless, the tests that have been conducted concluded with negative results towards the concept of scaring people away from crime. People need to be more educated about crime not just get punished for it.
Think about it, operating prisions is a good money making business, prisions are ran by individuals who just make money off of getting people thrown in jail - they get money from the gov. for taking care of prisioners who in most cases are processed in very poor and unacceptable conditions.

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by Only_Glory

it is true, weed is a gateway drug. but we are moving into the future and most of us will predict what will happen in the long run future. first the drug gets accepted by the society, then the drug becomes legal. people will do harder drugs, such as ecstasy, then it will become accepted/legal. and then the world becomes this one huge party scene where absolutely everything is controlled by machines but it's okay because everyone has a flying car. any ways there would be less war then, much more peace, unity and acceptance. otherwise the world at that peak would not survive. ORGY PORGY!!!

i geuss long story short, we are currently fighting a battle and the results in the future will be obvious

Weren't harder drugs more widely accepted by society (though maybe not by the law) in the past? Like opium and stuff like that?

If weed was legalized, wouldn't it be just like cigarettes? Corporations would put other crap in it to make it more appealing and addictive. It'll be more harmful to people. There'll be taxes and regulations on it, etc. I think a de-criminalization is sufficient.

I think there'll always be drugs. As society evolves to perhaps push the current underground culture into the mainstream, a new underground will form that'll at irst be rejected by society. It's hegemony! I just don't see a society without an underground culture.

[e_BoY]

Originally Posted by xxViceRoyxx

From the point of view of someone who is studying law and crime, I stand strongly by de-criminalizing and eliminating those useless laws about marajuana and such for a few simple reasons:

1) Many harmless criminals are thrown into jail for crimes that dont hurt other people, smoking weed and posession of weed. Those people turn into actual criminals when thrown into jail, because prision in itself is a school of crime turning harmless people into actual criminals - they interact with actual criminals and learn more about crime and get smarter at it.

2) Funds that are being thrown unproductively and invested in useless training programs can be invested into more usefull things, put towards programs for criminals and victims who actually need it. As you learn more about the system you begin to realize that the victims are severly neglected in the process of dealing with crime.

The concept of harsher laws and deterrence is useless, the tests that have been conducted concluded with negative results towards the concept of scaring people away from crime. People need to be more educated about crime not just get punished for it.
Think about it, operating prisions is a good money making business, prisions are ran by individuals who just make money off of getting people thrown in jail - they get money from the gov. for taking care of prisioners who in most cases are processed in very poor and unacceptable conditions.

agreed. back when i got busted for possession of e at a rave they were trying to charge me for possession of narcotics for the purpose of trafficking. i laughed and so did they. My probation officer at the time was also talking about how useless it is to throw peeps in jail for something small. In return it actually makes it worse. Like u explained already. It will only build their knowledge while their in jaila dn when they come out they will have more knowledge of other stuff and perhaps turn into a real criminal or what not.

[Grapes]

I honestly don't even believe legalization is necessary, because people have a fairly easy time obtaining and enjoying the substance.

It's necessary if they're serious about cutting off a massive source of income for organized crime.

i'm just saying that with corporate mass production of a product the quality usually goes down because they are trying to cut corners and find the most cost effective way of mass production.

Pretty much ever argument for legalization (what's with this "decriminalize" wishy washy nonsense??) can be made by comparing alcohol to weed. This particular sub-topic is no different.

Corporate mass production of alcohol might lead to marijuanna products comperable to Molsons and Kokanee, but plenty of other options could also become available. I don't have trouble finding good beer or liquor.. do you?

[automatic]

Originally Posted by wum

umm, since when has the free market diminished the quality of a product?

popular music.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

okay,if pot were to become legalized the gov obviously would get thier filthy money grubbin hands all over our precious substance and assrape it until it bleeds.
Then there would be a population boom in Canada,what happens when the population increases?More social problems such as:crime,poverty,drug abuse,prostitution etc etc etc.
Dont get me wrong here,im not saying that the population increase would all be negative,but i dont see much positive coming from it.

The price of cocaine and all other chemical drugs would go up and so would the demand for them. If pot were to become legalized in Canada we would just be searching for more readily available vices ie chems.

so go ahead canada! legalize pot and watch our country go to shit! YEAH!

i dont think so,maybe in like 50-100 years yeah,but not on my clock!

so no,keep marijuana ilegal.As for the sentances for growing pot keep them the way that they are.

With so many grow ops in BC,that reflects poorly on our economy no?
so instead of imposing harsher sentances and using up more tax payers money to imprison or give conditions to "offenders",reevaluate the BC economy see what went wrong (gordon campbell) and fix the fucking problem instead of grabbing a bandaid and kissing it better...cuz it dont fucking work that way.

and thats all ive got to say about that.