Chav's: UK's young raver scumbags

I'm a regular on The Grid (technical dnb production forum) at dogsonacid.com (a UK based website started by Bad Company) and there is a lot of talk about a class of people reffered to as Chavs. By the sounds of it, they're a bunch of wreckless hoolagins with shaved heads, hoodies, expensive shoes that love teh clownstep and rap music (we have them here too). It is the belief of many in the UK that these Chavs are destroying the drum and bass scene.

I never actually realized it, but I see these same people all the time over here; its just funny because they arent stereotyped to the extent they are over there. In a sense I guess its a good thing that they aren't because it gives people an excuse to mock and ridicule lower class, lower income society.

I find it quite funny how you can gain an identity through consumerism. If you want to be a skater, all you need is enough money to purchase fancy shoes, baggy pants and a board. Most skaters "look" like skaters but can't skate worth shit. Similar to chavs, just need the money to dress like them, and buy the music they listen to. As far as acting like them.. well, being a hooligan isnt hard to do.

Has anyone else ever heard of this term used before? For more info check:

Dogsonacid post
http://www.chavscum.co.uk/

[tvmann]

I've noticed the heavy gold chain thing, I was wondering about that, hmmm "Chavs" eh? Will be on the lookout for posers and wearers of the entire costume.

[decypher]

So there the trendy class in england? Every city has them.

[sNyx]

Trendy as trash. Sorta like The Gap has a one night stand with hiphop and their offspring end up hooked on Smack and electronic music. Seems all to silly to me. Clever name however. Chav'z ;)

[Ragga_Wh0re]

I find it quite funny how you can gain an identity through consumerism. If you want to be a skater, all you need is enough money to purchase fancy shoes, baggy pants and a board. Most skaters "look" like skaters but can't skate worth shit. Similar to chavs, just need the money to dress like them, and buy the music they listen to. As far as acting like them.. well, being a hooligan isnt hard to do.

whoa whoa whoa,that can be said for ANYBODY.From punk rockers to bible thumpers...even the "true" junglists(whatever that may be)

I never actually realized it, but I see these same people all the time over here; its just funny because they arent stereotyped to the extent they are over there. In a sense I guess its a good thing that they aren't because it gives people an excuse to mock and ridicule lower class, lower income society.

wow,you really are a moron. Congratufuckinlations.
Im not even going to point out whats horribly wrong with what you have said...first ill let you pull your head out of your ass then realize it for yourself dumb dumb.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

...and just to further prove my point:

when i wear baggy pants and skate shoes does that make me a chav according to the chav checklist?

YES

now tell me,when I wear stilletos,dress pants,and a dress shirt...does that still make me a chav?

no.

this sounds all a bit too highschool for me and its a god damned shame that the dnb community will so readily throw labels on people of its own,and so readily look down thier noses just because certain memebers of that community do not fall into this ideal junglist mold that they have created in thier head.

way for junglists to give further creedence to the stereotype of junglists being agro judgemental assholes.

bravo!

[meth0dical]

^when you wear baggy pants and skate shoes we call you a man
when you wear stillettos and dress clothes, we call you in drag.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^what an ever so witty rebuttal fuck wad,dont you have some petty street crimes to go and commit with your shit beats crew?

It's not really the clothes.. its the wreckless hooligan attitude that goes along with it. It's not really that bad here actually, junglists seem fairly tame and respectable.

i don't see how you can deny the fact that a LOT people dress and act a certain way to give themselves an identity. We all need an identity, we're lost without one. And duh, no shit its true for bible thumpers, punks, etc etc. i find it very weird that you can actually buy your self an identity

[Ragga_Wh0re]

^you were focusing mainly on what they wear,thier social class,and the sub genres of dnb that they listen to as opposed to thier "hooligan attitudes".

Yeah,you can buy yourself an identity,but i really dont think its nessecary.You are not the clothes you wear or the music you listen to,theres alot more to ones self(atleast id like to think so)that makes you...you.And the above mentioned factors are only tiny facets of ones persona/person.

I think often times we are all guilty of associating a state of mind/mentality with how the person(s) in question deliver the package ie by clothes,body language...and in this prticular case...music.And its ridiculous,because often times the exterior doesnt do any justice to the interior...and vice versa.

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Originally Posted by Junglist

It's not really the clothes.. its the wreckless hooligan attitude that goes along with it. It's not really that bad here actually, junglists seem fairly tame and respectable.

i don't see how you can deny the fact that a LOT people dress and act a certain way to give themselves an identity. We all need an identity, we're lost without one. And duh, no shit its true for bible thumpers, punks, etc etc. i find it very weird that you can actually buy your self an identity

what other perception can people have of you besides that which you present them, clothing included.

[B.Traits]

gotta love the burberry....

[FeelGood]

I like drum and bass, and I wear expensive shoes and 'hiphop clothing' does this make me a Chav, I dont think so.

Who cares what you look like or how you dress, were all in this for the music, so enjoy it.

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ But you also like Trance! ;) :p

[Hero.Skye]

Fucking Chavs and their track suits. Such fucking losers. Lets not go further with the Chavettes.. eck. :166:

[esoter1c]

Is He Some Kid Needs A Good Talking To ?

[axion]

congrats on the most retarded, irrelevant post ever.

i wear expensive shoes and like hiphop.

sorry for ruining the scene, guys.

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

wow,you really are a moron. Congratufuckinlations.
Im not even going to point out whats horribly wrong with what you have said...first ill let you pull your head out of your ass then realize it for yourself dumb dumb.

goddessa shutup! nobody cares about your targeted hate views. your seriously a waste of my general screen space, not to mention create a growing farsightedness within my vision. please cease and desist your aggressive postings stance and ether take a backseat (probably not the best term) to some topics by merly reading them or to move onto another forum.

congrats on the most retarded, irrelevant post ever.

i wear expensive shoes and like hiphop.

sorry for ruining the scene, guys.

dude you're missing the point... you're obviously not looking at this from the same angle i am. I made it clear that its the attitude that bothres me more than anything else

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Originally Posted by axion

congrats on the most retarded, irrelevant post ever.

i wear expensive shoes and like hiphop.

sorry for ruining the scene, guys.

way to go man, now things will never be the same!

This is a somewhat unrelated topic but relates to clothing/identity/stereotypes etc... it applies to the more extreme types... but I find it funny when people dress really weird and fill their faces with piercings and they claim to do it because "It's who they are", or "this is how I express myself", etc etc. They have this whole "Don't ridicule me because of what I wear" attitude... but i'm pretty sure that they do it because they're starved for attention or searching for their identity.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

goddessa shutup! nobody cares about your targeted hate views. your seriously a waste of my general screen space, not to mention create a growing farsightedness within my vision. please cease and desist your aggressive postings stance and ether take a backseat (probably not the best term) to some topics by merly reading them or to move onto another forum.

yessa massa.

hey heres a thought,why dont you utilize that wonderful IGNORE function youve created?!

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

yessa massa.

hey heres a thought,why dont you utilize that wonderful IGNORE function youve created?!

im here to moderate, not ignore ;)

[Ragga_Wh0re]

that really sucks.

[firestar]

When I was living in the UK I saw them, but they wern't called chav's. But to you and me, the were like, the barstars of the electronic scene, buut.. wore track suits and really ugly nike hats. I was told not to fuck with them when I was there. (Although I didn't take their advice and punched one of them in the mouth one night) But they are generally little 17-20 year old hooligans, who, gang up, start fights, trash talk, and try to be as intimidating as possible. Hm, reminds me of barstars here, no?

I can see how that type could be menacing to a particular scene though. As unlike hiphop, (here come the flames) electronic music promotes community and respect, not violence & intimidation.

PS: Big hiphop fan here, don't get me wrong, we all know hiphop promotes violence.