Private Cities

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by rawb

funnily enough, walt disney was one of the forerunners of building perfect, self run cities. he wanted to completely change the idea of a city and how it ran. disneyland tested a lot of his ideas, where disneyworld was supposed to be a theme park, hotels, as well as a prototype experimental community.

"EPCOT" is an acronym for experimental prototype community of tomorrow. he would make weekly trips to florida to help plan things like foot traffic flow and municipal laws. when he died, his brother roy nixed the idea and instead they built the new EPCOT as an attraction/fair and more park/hotels around it.

dream died with walt, but more people seem to be taking the isea and running with it.

disney has its own gated city in southern florida.

heh, i just thought it was an excersize in empire building so micheal eisner could justify his wack ass compensation package by becoming a real estate developer when the supposed core competancy of his company is media and theme park shit. so micheal eisner could justify his wack ass compensation package, atleast thats how his shareholders felt till they booted his ass out. now i got some insight, it wasnt just an excersize in stupidity it was an excersize in vision.

[rawb]

google "Shimizu Mega-City Pyramid"
hooooly crap i want in

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by wum

A lot of people living in major cities actually, according to the statistics. What’s wrong with living in a community based on your own values?Well like I said, pick the communities that you like. As well, don’t you think people who are living in the communities they control are much more accountable form of government versus Lower Mainland politicians living in British properties who come up with schemes for everyone else?

As well, shareholders in corporations tend to create “constitutions” or a list of shareholder rights since a pure democracy wouldn’t be the greatest thing. You could shop around for the ones you like best.I admit it seems ambitious, but the advantage of having a larger community or even city is because with a larger budget you could give contracts to people to do street cleaning, creating parks, woodlands, rec centers, or even stadiums, without any of the bullshit zoning laws.

You could live right next to work :)

there arent any politicans living in the british properties as far as i know...they dont have enough money ;)

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by wum

Perhaps the most important function of the community association is enforcing deed restrictions. Deed restrictions are a form of private "zoning," in which developers establish certain rules to prevent undesirable buildings and land use. Like zoning, deed restrictions provide continuity within a given area; unlike zoning, deed restrictions are governed by market considerations.

"When you are developing a master-planned community you are essentially trying to make it so the [homeowner] doesn't have to leave the area to get what he wants," explains Dennis Guerra, a project manager for the First Colony master-planned community near Houston. This requires a careful marketing study to determine the amenities homeowners want. Retail shops, grocery and convenience stores, doctors, dentists, animal clinics, and other frequently visited businesses are often located within the community.

Most PUD's consist of a number of villages -- subdivisions within the PUD -- separated by the community's major roads. Business areas are located along these thoroughfares, which helps "keep cars essentially out of the residential areas," says Guerra. In planning a community, the developer must work closely with the business community to construct a plan which benefits businesses and future homeowners.

This does not mean that businesses dictate a community's plan. For many years, Guerra says, First Colony resisted attempts by various fast-food chains to build restaurants in the community. The locations sought by the chains would have drawn excessive traffic and disrupted the developer's master plan. Because developers must be concerned with the long-term economic success of their projects, such considerations are essential. Conversely, zoning boards are generally motivated by short-term political expediency. More significantly, deed restrictions eliminate zoning bureaucrats and the accompanying taxes.


http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8903phil.html


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it keeps out shitty businesses and it creates a pedestrian atmosphere, what more could you want?

you can accomplish the same goals within the framework of a non-gated community

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by wum

okay, wrong angle.

basically i'm just saying you get more control over the place you live in.

I like the fact that you can keep out the Walmarts and cars, or make it party zone. :):)

yeah but the verus of that is true as well, the community has more control over YOU

[wum]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

you can accomplish the same goals within the framework of a non-gated community

it doesn't have to be gated i guess. but how else will vagrants get the message

[wum]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

yeah but the verus of that is true as well, the community has more control over YOU

pick the community you like best :)

[wum]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

i'm pretty shocked that 7 people have already said they would live in these cities.

they're going to want to keep their private cities nice and perfect and that means imposing weird bans on things and more restrictions on personal freedoms than you would get in public cities. this is just a guess, but i could totally see it happening if they're going to want to keep their city pretty and disneyland like.

i think the draconian bans that everyone's anticipating will only come from the retirement community. It will only be a matter of time before developers realize that people would rather live in private cities versus public ones.

Like I said, as a homeowner in these masterplan communities you'll be a shareholder, so pick a community that reflects what you want.

As well, it won't just be for the rich. Each community would have it's own selling points, i.e. a gay one, a party one, an equestrian town (already in the works), a university town, etc.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

it's also a complete divison of the classes like i said before. somewhere Marx is rolling in his grave.

Not everyone's a socialist. Your own town could include bums if you really wanted to :)

[wum]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

it would be like living inside a giant mall. there would be no public space...that would be a huge thing. there would be nowhere that people could go that wasn't owned by someone.

by making things public owned they automatically become abused.

Ever noticed how shitty park bathrooms are? Or how muggers, rapists, and druggies stake out their territory?

Sure, if I had things my way, there would be a little fee to go into the park, or use the library, but look at what a difference it makes for institutions that have to actually earn their money :)


Private Park - Callaway Gardens

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by wum

it doesn't have to be gated i guess. but how else will vagrants get the message

there are no vagrants in the BP or in shaughnessy and they have no gates

p.s wum you should become an academic within the realm of sociology, many of them like you don't allow mountains of empirical evidence which counters their arguments get in the way of their theories. Well, atleast alot of the bad ones i have read and been taught by don't.

[wum]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

there are no vagrants in the BP or in shaughnessy and they have no gates

p.s wum you should become an academic within the realm of sociology, many of them like you don't allow mountains of empirical evidence which counters their arguments get in the way of their theories. Well, atleast alot of the bad ones i have read and been taught by don't.

who said anything about sociology?

and the 'empirical evidence' is on my side, if you wanna talk about the trend of people moving into private cities*, you cocksmack




*According to the Wall Street Journal, 10 million Americans -- 100,000 in Irvine Ranch, California, alone -- now live in so-called "master-planned communities" (MPC).

http://www.lp.org/lpn/9901-triumph.html

[cubed]

I prefer my cults to be of the nike wearing / kool-aid drinking kind.

[crackjoy]

Originally Posted by wum

Sure, if I had things my way, there would be a little fee to go into the park, or use the library, but look at what a difference it makes for institutions that have to actually earn their money :)

a fee to go into the park? who the fuck would want to pay to go into a park? the whole point of a park is that their free. i'd just as soon walk around in my backyard than pay for some private patch of greenery.

[wum]

Originally Posted by cubed

I prefer my cults to be of the nike wearing / kool-aid drinking kind.

private property no longer in style at our higher institutions of learning huh

[miss.myra]

it reeks too much of suburbia to me, maybe when I get old.

I don't think I'd do well anywhere else but in the city right now. There's something oddly soothing about falling asleep to the rattle of shopping carts down my alley way...

[decypher]

Yaaah lets build private communities and shovel the poor under the mat, WOOOO.

[Senior]

Is this just another way of saying that we should all be libertarians and control our own destiny?

[wum]

Originally Posted by Senior

Is this just another way of saying that we should all be libertarians and control our own destiny?

yep :)

[wum]

Originally Posted by decypher

Yaaah lets build private communities and shovel the poor under the mat, WOOOO.

it's not just for poor people :)

[wum]

this master planned community looks most pimp out of all of them

http://www.stonehouseva.com/

[acidic_liquid]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

wummy, have you learned nothing from me?!

i may be gay, but i certainly am not a flag waving, leather booty shorts wearing, prideful faggy bastard. i detest most of that stuff. i've never been to a pride parade as i don't think people should identify themselves only by their sexuality. being gay is not the only thing in my life, it's just who i sleep with.

i would probably murder everyone in a gay town.

Werd. I couldn't have said it better.

[Custard]

i wouldn't live there now, but maybe in 20 years, and having a family in a "safe" enviorment is high on my list of priorities.

[zarlon]

but what if you enjoy the diversity that comes with public cities? i don't neccessarily want to be surrounded by people all with the same mindset, or same goals, or same anything etc.

the variety in life is what keeps it interesting, having the opportunity to interact with all different types of people with different goals, experiences and backgrounds definitely makes my day to day living a richer experience.

jeez how boring would it be.

[wum]

Originally Posted by zarlon

but what if you enjoy the diversity that comes with public cities? i don't neccessarily want to be surrounded by people all with the same mindset, or same goals, or same anything etc.

the variety in life is what keeps it interesting, having the opportunity to interact with all different types of people with different goals, experiences and backgrounds definitely makes my day to day living a richer experience.

jeez how boring would it be.

the main draw about master planned communities is the zoning, and the money saved.

The dues we pay for 'essential services' are coerced and go to government workers who are usually lame and inefficient, and go towards things like roads we'll never use, safe injection sites, obscure social programs, etc. MPC's (master-planned communities) on the other hand give the work to private contractors, or pay for things on the basis of user fees so you're not wasting money.

The zoning is also dictated by the market, where people prefer to have mixed use of residential/office living space and not having a shitty walmart or fast food joints everywhere. These places tend to also be 'pedestrian cities.'

Don't you think that would appeal to all kinds of people :):)

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by wum

the main draw about master planned communities is the zoning, and the money saved.

The dues we pay for 'essential services' are coerced and go to government workers who are usually lame and inefficient, and go towards things like roads we'll never use, safe injection sites, obscure social programs, etc. MPC's (master-planned communities) on the other hand give the work to private contractors, or pay for things on the basis of user fees so you're not wasting money.

The zoning is also dictated by the market, where people prefer to have mixed use of residential/office living space and not having a shitty walmart or fast food joints everywhere. These places tend to also be 'pedestrian cities.'

Don't you think that would appeal to all kinds of people :):)

True, true. The more the private sector is involved the more efficient the community will become. I'm interested to see how these communities evolve over time. I would definitely be interested in living in one.