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Jul 01, 05
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Scientists have created Zombie Dogs
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117...-13762,00.html
Fucked up shit. SCIENTISTS have created eerie zombie dogs, reanimating the canines after several hours of clinical death in attempts to develop suspended animation for humans. US scientists have succeeded in reviving the dogs after three hours of clinical death, paving the way for trials on humans within years. Pittsburgh's Safar Centre for Resuscitation Research has developed a technique in which subject's veins are drained of blood and filled with an ice-cold salt solution. The animals are considered scientifically dead, as they stop breathing and have no heartbeat or brain activity. But three hours later, their blood is replaced and the zombie dogs are brought back to life with an electric shock. Plans to test the technique on humans should be realised within a year, according to the Safar Centre. However rather than sending people to sleep for years, then bringing them back to life to benefit from medical advances, the boffins would be happy to keep people in this state for just a few hours, But even this should be enough to save lives such as battlefield casualties and victims of stabbings or gunshot wounds, who have suffered huge blood loss. During the procedure blood is replaced with saline solution at a few degrees above zero. The dogs' body temperature drops to only 7C, compared with the usual 37C, inducing a state of hypothermia before death. Although the animals are clinically dead, their tissues and organs are perfectly preserved. Damaged blood vessels and tissues can then be repaired via surgery. The dogs are brought back to life by returning the blood to their bodies,giving them 100 per cent oxygen and applying electric shocks to restart their hearts. Tests show they are perfectly normal, with no brain damage. "The results are stunning. I think in 10 years we will be able to prevent death in a certain segment of those using this technology," said one US battlefield doctor. 
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Jul 01, 05
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thats creepy shit, amazing, but damn creepy.
Where do you draw the line in medicine? Sometimes people are unfortunately meant to die, who's right is it to decide who should die and who should simply be resuscitated? Oh and if you can't bring them back to life, just make a copy of them! No worries!! toooooooooo wierd.
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thats just too creepy
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You were a big supporter of the vegetable that was Terry Shaivo being kept attached to her feeding tube, were you? I wasn't.
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Jul 01, 05
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As interesting as this all is I'm afraid to say this is a repost...... http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=80005 .......though it does make you think about just what scientists today are trying to do.......creepy
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Jul 02, 05
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Before you know it, we're all going to be locked in a mall with zombie dogs outside trying to get in and kill us.
That's crazy though... the picture looks fake, but the website looks reall.. fucked up shit is right. Morals aside... that's some fucking amazing sience. Part of me still doesn't want to believe it though... a shot and some electricity seems rather simple considering how complex a creature we are, and isn't the body more critical about what's running through its viens? I think people die when their supposed to... and although it may be terribly sad or unfair, that's how it was supposed to be. The beauty about life is that we don't know how long we've got it for... I have lost so many people.. most really close friends, and trust me, I know how it sucks, and when someone dies, your whole life stops, and nothing seems to matter. I'm not so sure you should get a second chance at life though... I think it'd just make it harder on me to see that. Just make the life you have now worth it.
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Jul 02, 05
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i like how everyone is taking everything out of context and calling their revived subjects "zombies"
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Jul 02, 05
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its a pretty amazing discovery and im all for it
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Jul 02, 05
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Not necessarily... Of course I'd want my loved ones to live, but considering the outcome of fucked up mecial practices, that might be kind of selfish. People die, the way we live and deal with death will change drastically if we can bring people back to life or just make another one of them. Nature does't work that way, why should we change that? Our planet might not even be able to handle it, we already have overpopulation problems in alot of places because people are living way longer. There are some situations where I could see this would be a good thing, young children, freak accidents etc etc. But who decides who should die and who should be resuscitated? It might even come down to who could afford the procedure. Thats not fair. And who knows what kind of karmic or fate disasters keeping someone alive who shouldn't be could cause :P
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Jul 02, 05
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thats not necessarily true, think of the possible negative mental, emotional and physical reprocussions being brought back to life could have on a human being! And nothing ever happens properly right off the bat. Who knows if they end up only bringing back part of the body, or part of that person. Theres the whole conciousness/soul thing you have to consider too. Who knows if the soul detaches from the body after death, especially hours after death. How do you know that person coming back isn't going to be nothing, or a total stranger!! cREEPY FUCKING SHIT. Thats what scares me about possible human cloning, you think dolly popped out perfectly the first try? And that she was perfectly healthy throughout her normal life? NO, that was so not the case. But of course they never told you about the poor disfigured freaks they came up with first, and the complications they suffered even after they made the "perfect" clone. It will be the same way with humans, and there will always be someone greedy or insensitive enough out there to be willing to do such a thing to a person.
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Jul 02, 05
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I'm really skeptical about this for a few reasons.
first of all, this was tested on dogs. who's to say the same will work for humans? also this article does not specify how many dogs were even tested. a small sample is not enough to personally convince me to believe that this can help save lives without any type of brain damage. second of all, I do not see the cause of death for these dogs. clearly, this technique appears to only be of benefit to certain causes of death, but which ones? thirdly, this study, I can only assume, was done in a controlled environment. how many people die everyday in a 'controlled' environment'? these animals organs were perfectly preserved... but depending on how a person dies, this may not always be the case. for example, a person who suffers from hemorrhagic shock, even if saved from death, can end up with multiple organ failure. another example, a person who's suffered from cerebral hypoxia at body temperature for several minutes could possibly end up being brain dead. this technique is not gonna bring them back to life, or at least, the way they used to be. as for the ethicality of this procedure.. personally, I don't really see this as any different as performing CPR on someone or putting someone on a mechanical ventilator. --Joanne :P
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