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[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Stimulant J

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story.asp?id=122073

old news my friend.

And if u wanna call Lacroix`s 8 straight division titles / 2 stanley cups in past 10 yrs, "cock sucking management" - go ahead.. but i think its safe to admit hes one of the best in his work. Its not impossible to re-sign big players.Its called RE-structuring. And if he can manage at least 4 or 5 of his stars to re-sign .. it sets the chain reaction for others to re-sign knowing the avs are still a legitiment contender like they`ve always been.

Fuc i wanna write more about this but my heads about to explode from last nite.

D-LO we gotta hit at least 1 avs/canucks game this year.. u rock your Canucks colors while i rock my Tanguay/Sakic or Forsberg jersey w/ the good old BLOW HORN. Nothing like the avs/canucks rivalry!

Or since that was an article way back in April the way people think over the period of time can change. So therefore it might be old news it might not.

Besides Bob gay ass Mackenzie is the most biased is a biased one sided I Love Toronto Maple Leafs So do Fuck me up the Ass Pat Quinn that most of his report are not 100% completely accurate.

Sure Lacroix's 8 division titles were great...but for maybe 6 of those years Who was competing againest the Av's in the same division. Everyone including the Nucks sucked the 6 previous Year's. Only the last two years should really count considering the fact that majority of the teams have really stepped it up including those stupid mootown flames. (Kipper chokes on the Big One during Key situations.). So the first 6 years don't really count considering everyone that was in the same division was still in the rebuilding process while you have a High Scoring power offence led by a coach who coaches their most hated rivals (marc crawford now with the canucks) and you have what you have.

But look what Marc has done with the Nucks. He's turned that team around and he has a system that's working beautifully. That's what he did with the Av's and now he's doing it with the Nucks.

Either way BURNABY JOE IS COMING BACK HOME. We even have a street named after him!!!

A game sounds good. Just let me know when and where so I can whip out my nucks jersey on your ass hahaha


Oh and you guys most definitly need a goalie.

[stimulant j]

RED LIGHT AEBISCHER WILL TAKE US ONE DAY ... haha

ya rite hes horrid. but a lot better then i first expected.

Hes another Cloutier ..stellar regular season ..shits bed in playoffs.

That is our weakest link i`ll admit that

[Grapes]

Don't count out on Crosby playing in the NHL. He might opt out for the big bucks in Sweeden. Any more news on this?

Yes, I'm getting something.. this just in... you are retarded.

Can you imagine? The Next One, a true Canadian at heart, going "You know what?... I enjoyed watching my heroes winning Stanley Cups and everything, growing up as a kid.. and I've dreamed of having my name one day etched on this nation's most presitgious sporting award... but... you know what? I'm going to say fuck all that, and go play for Lufftenkrautensberg over in Scandin-fucking-navia."

Puh-leeeeze.

[Grapes]

PS ---> Avs fans are a plauge on this earth. And Steve Moore is a whiny bitch who is going to have to never play hockey again in order to support his grounds for sueing Bertuzzi. Class.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Yeah it might benefit the penguins but take a look at the big picture. Sportsnet went to New York City and asked about maybe 10 people who Sidney Crosby was and only one out of the 10 had a clue who he was. That being said how will this benefit the NHL? It won't benefit them in any way. For the penguins to stay in Pittsburg maybe but not a great way to market such an Icon such as Crosby.

In the end, Crosby deserves better. There was one team that I most definitly didn't want to see him go to and that was Minny.

Your so off on this one man. How can you say Pitts is not a good place to market a guy like Crosby when they marketed a legend like Mario for more then 20 years. Mario is known has one of the best, if not the best. What better way to jump start Crosby's career then putting him on a line with Mario to learn with, and put him in front of fans that are desperate for another guy like Mario to save there franchise.

[frankie_V]

i honestly think any team can take the cup this year.... no team has momentum with anything... its been a year without the game, and i think that every team is just eager to have a season this year.

crosby is pretty lucky to play with mario, shuld be fun to watch this years season....

any news on BERTUZZI???

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Your so off on this one man. How can you say Pitts is not a good place to market a guy like Crosby when they marketed a legend like Mario for more then 20 years. Mario is known has one of the best, if not the best. What better way to jump start Crosby's career then putting him on a line with Mario to learn with, and put him in front of fans that are desperate for another guy like Mario to save there franchise.

Uhhh perhaps it's because Pittsburg was DECENT at that time. Did you not hear the statistics on an average at a Penguins game? 11,000 people on Average. That's definitly very motivating...YEAH NOT.

I much rather play Juniors if I didn't want to finish school. I'm sure Crosby would as well.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by franklin

i honestly think any team can take the cup this year.... no team has momentum with anything... its been a year without the game, and i think that every team is just eager to have a season this year.

crosby is pretty lucky to play with mario, shuld be fun to watch this years season....

any news on BERTUZZI???

This isn't a positive thing but bertuzzi apparently will still have to sit out more games.

Possibly 10 or even 20 games before he can play again.

The amount of games obviously hasnn't been decided but i believe bertuzzi is not starting this season

[Grapes]

10 would be liveable. Remember when Bertuzzi had a 10 game suspension early in the year, and then ended up being the hottest player in the leauge the rest of the way?

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Uhhh perhaps it's because Pittsburg was DECENT at that time. Did you not hear the statistics on an average at a Penguins game? 11,000 people on Average. That's definitly very motivating...YEAH NOT.

I much rather play Juniors if I didn't want to finish school. I'm sure Crosby would as well.

Yup Your right Attenedance was down at the Mellon Arena but the hype of crosby will bring fans in just like it brought fans in when Mario came in the leauge. Plus the advantage of playing with a guy like Mario will help his career if anything. I think its a perfect fit for crosby and he has said it himself in interviews that it is. A young telented team thats is only going to get better. Worst thing for him would have been to go to New York. Everyone turns to shit going to New York, Look At Jager, hes shit now after winning the scoring title with the pens 4 times in a row. Same with Kovy, he left Pitts, played shit in New York, now hes shit in Montreal. Pittsburgh has a nack for making players good. Perfect example of that was Robert Lang

[inside]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Yes, I'm getting something.. this just in... you are retarded.

Can you imagine? The Next One, a true Canadian at heart, going "You know what?... I enjoyed watching my heroes winning Stanley Cups and everything, growing up as a kid.. and I've dreamed of having my name one day etched on this nation's most presitgious sporting award... but... you know what? I'm going to say fuck all that, and go play for Lufftenkrautensberg over in Scandin-fucking-navia."

Puh-leeeeze.

well some one waving ten million u.s. in my face would attract my attention.

[inside]

Bettuzzi getting any more of a suspension then he already has is fuckin stupid. Obviously he, and the Canucks have been punished severly for this steve moore thing, which is a crock of shit to begin with. And now there is trade talk? Like wtf. I don't think that B would want to leave cause of the Crow. and if he did, he's the biggest fuckin pussy there is. A fresh start I sort of understand. But fuck, why would he want to go?

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Yup Your right Attenedance was down at the Mellon Arena but the hype of crosby will bring fans in just like it brought fans in when Mario came in the leauge. Plus the advantage of playing with a guy like Mario will help his career if anything. I think its a perfect fit for crosby and he has said it himself in interviews that it is. A young telented team thats is only going to get better. Worst thing for him would have been to go to New York. Everyone turns to shit going to New York, Look At Jager, hes shit now after winning the scoring title with the pens 4 times in a row. Same with Kovy, he left Pitts, played shit in New York, now hes shit in Montreal. Pittsburgh has a nack for making players good. Perfect example of that was Robert Lang

Exactly. The day the season starts is the day that mario will turn another year older. Don't know the exact age since i'm Drunk and I'm Lazy to look it up but whatever. In the end Crosby won't end up in a Pittsburg Jersey for long. So what if he said it himself what are you supposed to say that pittsburg is the shittiest city that he could be drafted by? Obviously not. The kid loves hockey! I Love hockey. Trust me on this Pittsburg will still flop no matter what the situation. Lemieux will eventually sell his share of the Pens or opt to move out of Pitts...Jagr was just another Bure as well as Alexei Kovalev. Montreal got lucky with Kovalev. Look at the ego that New York has. Jagr, Holik, Poti, more to be named. Those three already have a huge ass ego.

Pitts doesn't have the nack of making players good. Players are good naturally just that Pittsburg will eventually trade them because they can't make enough money to afford them. With the new CBA though Pitts will eventaully be able to keep a few key players that being said though they will still suck. It doesn't matter how they market Crosby no one knows who he is or what he will become. I would have much rather seen him go to Chicago or something. Atleast he's got some player with PROVEN NHL expierience even though their not Mario atleast their not old like him and not injury prone like him either.

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by thump666

Bettuzzi getting any more of a suspension then he already has is fuckin stupid. Obviously he, and the Canucks have been punished severly for this steve moore thing, which is a crock of shit to begin with. And now there is trade talk? Like wtf. I don't think that B would want to leave cause of the Crow. and if he did, he's the biggest fuckin pussy there is. A fresh start I sort of understand. But fuck, why would he want to go?

Simple because Naslund who's practically his bestfriend may not return.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Exactly. The day the season starts is the day that mario will turn another year older. Don't know the exact age since i'm Drunk and I'm Lazy to look it up but whatever. In the end Crosby won't end up in a Pittsburg Jersey for long. So what if he said it himself what are you supposed to say that pittsburg is the shittiest city that he could be drafted by? Obviously not. The kid loves hockey! I Love hockey. Trust me on this Pittsburg will still flop no matter what the situation. Lemieux will eventually sell his share of the Pens or opt to move out of Pitts...Jagr was just another Bure as well as Alexei Kovalev. Montreal got lucky with Kovalev. Look at the ego that New York has. Jagr, Holik, Poti, more to be named. Those three already have a huge ass ego.

Pitts doesn't have the nack of making players good. Players are good naturally just that Pittsburg will eventually trade them because they can't make enough money to afford them. With the new CBA though Pitts will eventaully be able to keep a few key players that being said though they will still suck. It doesn't matter how they market Crosby no one knows who he is or what he will become. I would have much rather seen him go to Chicago or something. Atleast he's got some player with PROVEN NHL expierience even though their not Mario atleast their not old like him and not injury prone like him either.

Your talking out of your ass obviously, cause you don't know what your talking about. Pittsburgh has been a shitty team now for 3 years. They went to the semifinals in 2001 almost went to the finals. Vancouver was a shittier team for longer. Majority of teams go thro the tough years of being a shitty team but always jump back. Sidney Crosby, Ryan Malone, Evgeni Malkin (drafted 2nd overall 2 years ago) Konstantin Koltsov, Brooks Orpik, Ryan Whitney ( Who some say to be the best up and coming defensmen in the league. And you can't forget Marc Andre Fleury. Look you can obviously tell ive been a big pittsburgh fan for many years, going back to there cup days and even earlier. In 84 they were the worst team in the league by far, way worse then now, in a worse situation in the league now with the new CBA. Market Crosby like they did in 84 with Lemieux, when they were averaging 5000 fans a game, and all will be good. thats all i gotta say.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

Pitts doesn't have the nack of making players good. Players are good naturally just that Pittsburg will eventually trade them because they can't make enough money to afford them. With the new CBA though Pitts will eventaully be able to keep a few key players that being said though they will still suck. It doesn't matter how they market Crosby no one knows who he is or what he will become. I would have much rather seen him go to Chicago or something. Atleast he's got some player with PROVEN NHL expierience even though their not Mario atleast their not old like him and not injury prone like him either.

Wrong again. I'll name a couple for you really quickly. Who was Robert Lang before we went to Pittsburgh. We played for LA for a couple years, averaged 5 goals a year, went to Boston one year didn't play at all. Then we went to Pittsburgh and got 75 points his first year, and his points a year only went up from then one. Same with Martin Straka, nobody before pittsburgh, 99 points in pittsburgh. Kovy had talent in New York the first go around, but had a problem getting 30 goals, couldnt do it. goes to Pittsburgh 50 goals. Its a known fact Craig Patrick has a natural nack for finding great talent in unusual places.

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Wrong again. I'll name a couple for you really quickly. Who was Robert Lang before we went to Pittsburgh. We played for LA for a couple years, averaged 5 goals a year, went to Boston one year didn't play at all. Then we went to Pittsburgh and got 75 points his first year, and his points a year only went up from then one. Same with Martin Straka, nobody before pittsburgh, 99 points in pittsburgh. Kovy had talent in New York the first go around, but had a problem getting 30 goals, couldnt do it. goes to Pittsburgh 50 goals. Its a known fact Craig Patrick has a natural nack for finding great talent in unusual places.

Talk to me when Lemieux fucks up his back again and when he retires.

Oh yeah and Fleury like Kippy does to tend to choke on the big one. Just take a look in the World Junior Championships. Gold Medal Game let's in a soft Goal.

[Grapes]

Its a known fact Craig Patrick has a natural nack for finding great talent in unusual places.

*COUGHCOUGHMarkusNaslundforAlexStojanovC OUGHCOUGH*

Guess nobody's perfect..

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by Grapes

*COUGHCOUGHMarkusNaslundforAlexStojanovC OUGHCOUGH*

Guess nobody's perfect..

Yup nobody is perfect. He gave up on Naslund who couldn't break out of his stride and he did it in another city good for him. I admit it was a bad trade, but hes made some of the best trades in history also, one that comes to mind is the Ronnie Francis deal from Hartford which pretty much sealed the deal for the cup in 91.

And DLO, if Lemieux hurts his back again its unfortunate, but it doesn't change the fact that hes one of the best in history and having someone like that to help Crosby is a good thing. Mario is even letting Crosby have his own wing in his house. Sounds pretty sweet to me

[-DLO_604-]

Yeah Lemieux will be able to probably be able to play another year TWO at most.

How much can he show Crosby within a year? You can't teach a kid 15 + years of experience in the span of a year. On top of that look at what happened to the players he also developed. Jagr sucks, Straka Hasn't done much, but doesn't a person who trains a player hope to see that player to continue to succeed even AFTER they have left for another team?

Clearly it hasn't happened and I doubt it will happen with Crosby.

[Dj Franco]

Jagr won 4 scoring titles and 1 Hart trophy after Lemieux retired the first time, think before you talk. Straka never played with Lemieux other then the first stint he had with Pittsburgh in 94 where he didnt play, straka was traded to pittsburgh after Mario retired. And has for Jagr, he turned to shit cause the money went to his head, and hes a European cry baby who gambled all his money away. Iunno why we're arguing about this, you obviously have one point of view, Crosby will be shit on Pittsburgh, and your a Lemieux hater. Well my bet is Crosby will score 30 goals next year on Mario's line and if Mario can stay healthy and play over 60 games, mark my word, at 40 years old he will win the scoring title.

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Jagr won 4 scoring titles and 1 Hart trophy after Lemieux retired the first time, think before you talk. Straka never played with Lemieux other then the first stint he had with Pittsburgh in 94 where he didnt play, straka was traded to pittsburgh after Mario retired. And has for Jagr, he turned to shit cause the money went to his head, and hes a European cry baby who gambled all his money away. Iunno why we're arguing about this, you obviously have one point of view, Crosby will be shit on Pittsburgh, and your a Lemieux hater. Well my bet is Crosby will score 30 goals next year on Mario's line and if Mario can stay healthy and play over 60 games, mark my word, at 40 years old he will win the scoring title.

Hahaha lemieux hater? don't get me wrong I never stated once I hate Lemieux what he has done to the game and how he lead Canada in the Worlds I respect. My Arguement is that Lemieux is past his prime therefore the guy can't teach much. He can still play but not as well as before when he was playing with Jagr.

And here mark my words as well, Lemieux won't win the scoring title. And obviously I'm going to get bashed because you think I'm a lemieux hater.

[Dj Franco]

I'm not saying he will win the scoring title for sure, but i am saying if he plays more 60 or more games, he will win the scoring title, you'll see

[-DLO_604-]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

I'm not saying he will win the scoring title for sure, but i am saying if he plays more 60 or more games, he will win the scoring title, you'll see

Your right I will see him. He'll be up there but not the scoring title that's for sure. You haven't even seen Crosby play in the NHL yet your calling him to score 30 goals. It's achieveable for him, but unproven.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

I'm not saying he will win the scoring title for sure, but i am saying if he plays more 60 or more games, he will win the scoring title, you'll see

I think he'll b e in the top 10 if he's healthy but winning it i don't think is gonna happen.

maybe iginla, naslund if he plays on the canucks or sakic if he gets hot like in 2000