Believed In God?

[mux]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Really, the ability to believe in a higher power than yourself isn't difficult. All you have to do is look at the scope of the cosmos, and all the unbelievable power that dwarfs our mightiest creations, to realize mankind isn't the crowning achievment, no matter how amazing it is that we can even begin to comprehend it.

You do see the flaw here, right?

"The universe is so vast and awesome that we cannot possibly fathom what might be behind it. Therefore it must be this big guy who made it all for us! Let's all sing our praises to him!"

The very facts that previous societies thought that the sun was rolled across the sky by a giant dung beetle, or that the northern lights were spirits of the dead dancing in the sky... the more we know about how the world works, the less likely it is that there's some all-seeing, all-knowing entity guiding every aspect of it.

[Sykonee]

True enough. This is where grand design creationists get their ammo from, that because everything in the cosmos has such an ordered clockwork to it (basic laws of physics, and such), it could not have happened just by accident. A watch implies a watchmaker, so why not so for far more complicated organic machinery such as an ameoba?

However, because there are still paradoxes about (insufficient observable matter, subatomic particles existing in two places at once, and many more), it stands to reason that either a.) the cosmos isn't perfect, and that everything about us is just random chance, or b.) we still have yet to begin to comprehend it all.

When I say I have no problem in believing in a higher power than mankind, I don't neccesarily mean I believe a single entity created everything. I'm saying the probability for advanced forms of life that we cannot begin to comprehend are not out of reach. Whether we should devote our lives to them in worship or not remains to be seen, though.

[~god~]

Originally Posted by wum

that's why a Godly nation is the only one that can be free, because it will not tolerate a intermediary between God and man

Aaaaaare you fuucking shittting me!?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by mux

You do see the flaw here, right?

"The universe is so vast and awesome that we cannot possibly fathom what might be behind it. Therefore it must be this big guy who made it all for us! Let's all sing our praises to him!"

The very facts that previous societies thought that the sun was rolled across the sky by a giant dung beetle, or that the northern lights were spirits of the dead dancing in the sky... the more we know about how the world works, the less likely it is that there's some all-seeing, all-knowing entity guiding every aspect of it.

Hein. I dunno. Just in patterns that I see, we create this character or entity just as a matter of the way in which we, as people, are programmed, and how those programmings interact. Hence the whole Thou Art God thing... Each and every single one of us is what you'd call a representation of God... And it varies from person to person which aspect or representation is presented to each person they interact with...

I saw a quote once, I think it was RAW but it may have been someone else:
Coincidence is a superstition created by scientists to explain synchronicity.

I believe in some level of some collective thought process that we're building towards... just by looking at how humans have evolved in the last 50 years let alone since we've been apes. People are gonna keep screaming that we're doomed and headed straight for hell, but whatever. That's all rooted in your fear of death anyways. I have faith in the world. I think we're not done yet as a species and that [insert label for deity] still exists today in everything we do. Pseudo-predestination? I guess... maybe manifest destiny?

And I don't think we're gonna learn anything new by some collaboration of books that was as best as we can date it finished about 2000 years ago.

[wum]

Originally Posted by ~god~

Aaaaaare you fuucking shittting me!?

newp.

[esoter1c]

Cydonia on Mars, 3 pyramids, same slope, degree and angle as the Great Pyramid in Gizeh, Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/e/enki.html

[nuf_dawg]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

I think your username suits your online personality perfectly.

EXACTLY hahahahhah

[~god~]

Originally Posted by wum

newp.

well what's your reasoning behind it?

[wum]

Founding of America??

[~god~]

still don't see where you are going..?

that was when all the majority religious groups who basically controlled political powers in europe were punishing dissenters, right?! catholics persecuting protestants bla bla.
It's said that they left due to "holy experiences". FUCK THAT.. they left so they wouldn't get their heads chopped off!

[wum]

Originally Posted by ~god~

still don't see where you are going..?

that was when all the majority religious groups who basically controlled political powers in europe were punishing dissenters, right?! catholics persecuting protestants bla bla.
It's said that they left due to "holy experiences". FUCK THAT.. they left so they wouldn't get their heads chopped off!

Europe wasn't liberated until the general populace began to become literate and could read the bible for themselves. That didn't happen until Luther's time. Before that was not a Godly society.

[onefour]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

True enough. This is where grand design creationists get their ammo from, that because everything in the cosmos has such an ordered clockwork to it (basic laws of physics, and such), it could not have happened just by accident. A watch implies a watchmaker, so why not so for far more complicated organic machinery such as an ameoba?

However, because there are still paradoxes about (insufficient observable matter, subatomic particles existing in two places at once, and many more), it stands to reason that either a.) the cosmos isn't perfect, and that everything about us is just random chance, or b.) we still have yet to begin to comprehend it all.

When I say I have no problem in believing in a higher power than mankind, I don't neccesarily mean I believe a single entity created everything. I'm saying the probability for advanced forms of life that we cannot begin to comprehend are not out of reach. Whether we should devote our lives to them in worship or not remains to be seen, though.

i like you; that was the most intelligent post i've read in this thread. Why does everyone assume something, obviously none of us really know.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

Europe wasn't liberated until the general populace began to become literate and could read the bible for themselves. That didn't happen until Luther's time. Before that was not a Godly society.

It's never been a Godly society.

Christianity is North America's greatest delusion of grandeur.

[wum]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

It's never been a Godly society.

Christianity is North America's greatest delusion of grandeur.

liberal arts?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

liberal arts?

At least that signifies some level of commitment.

As opposed to: come into our house, eat bread and drink wine and talk with god or something. GIVE US MONEY!

A PhD means more to me than a baptismal certificate.

[wum]

by that i meant are you a Liberal Arts student

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wum

by that i meant are you a Liberal Arts student

Comp Sci dropout, actually.

Tried psych for a couple years and decided it was academic masturbation.

[THEMADHATTER]

Originally Posted by mux

"The universe is so vast and awesome that we cannot possibly fathom what might be behind it. Therefore it must be this big guy who made it all for us! Let's all sing our praises to him!"

hmmm is it just me, or doesn't anime have big bad overlord bosses at the end of most or all of them. they might of been on to something here hehehehe