implantable microchips

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by rawb

no, those are the 20 or so people that work in a job under mine.



so is every 12 year old who runs linux. who gives a fuck. i program too. were talking distinctly about networking. my network pushes terabits of data per second out its peers and upstreams. i have written programs to extract data from this traffic and affect how it is routed. i know how traffic moves inside and out. i know how to scan tcp/udp packets for information. i can explain how dsniff works. i have gotten drunk with the author of dsniff. i get sent to large confrences to stroke chins with the people who made the technology that makes things like carnivore possible. when nasa/sony/valve needs to move a large amount of data they call me on my desk phone.

i am one of the few hundred people in the world that can completely shut down a large potion of the worlds internet capability through a typing error when im tired.



you aparently have no idea what i do.



yes, but you as a programmer have no idea of scale.

are we done dick wagging.

I'm just fuckin' with ya.
That's cool you code too.
I'm just hatin' on the gubment.
I know I read to much into this shit, it definitely doesn't matter.
I think I drank to much Mountain Dew Energy.

So yeah, how bout' them nux ?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

how many university degrees do you have?

maybe someone with a vested interest (ie selling you books that make you into an idiot) is fooling you.

the reality is a normally intelligent person would have to do alot of acid or mush to think that even half these conspiracy theories hold water.

575095750 - do you know what a scientific fact or theory really is? apparently not, otherwise youd recognize that in order for something to be a legitimate fact/theory you have to be able to disprove it. what you beleive is nonsense, just pure faith.

Whatever read what ya want think what ya want idgaf !

[stephen_c]

this thread is 6 pages long so far.
if only it were about some other kind of implants, i'd be a happy camper.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by stephen_c

this thread is 6 pages long so far.
if only it were about some other kind of implants, i'd be a happy camper.

This is now the Official Boobies thread.....

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Keep talking like that, people are really going to take you seriously.


Man, people would probably attack you jerks a lot less if you all weren't so goddamned arrogant. Try to humble up a little or join a forum where you can spend your time talking with people that agree with you 100% of the time, because that's what you want. Go! Join one big NWO theorist circlejerk!

If we were on a forum where everyone knew and agreed with us then what would be the point of getting the info out, they would already know. Myra, I dont care if you or anyone believes us. Im not begging you to read these posts, i didnt ask for this thread to get to be 6 pages. No matter how much evidence you see you will not believe it until something bad happens to you because of it. When your freedom is completley gone and your a slave to globalization you will realize then. All we can do is get as much infomation out and whether you believe it now or not, when time comes hopefully you'll resist the New World Order, if not have fun being a slave cause I'd rather die

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

If we were on a forum where everyone knew and agreed with us then what would be the point of getting the info out, they would already know. Myra, I dont care if you or anyone believes us. Im not begging you to read these posts, i didnt ask for this thread to get to be 6 pages. No matter how much evidence you see you will not believe it until something bad happens to you because of it. When your freedom is completley gone and your a slave to globalization you will realize then. All we can do is get as much infomation out and whether you believe it now or not, when time comes hopefully you'll resist the New World Order, if not have fun being a slave cause I'd rather die

Too bad there is no evidence or even logical explanation as to how RFID (the topic of this thread in case anyone forgot), will affect us in a negative way.

The video in the initial post is someone in the senate voicing theoretical issues (key word theoretical) that the nominee could possibly rule on in the next 10 years. This does not translate into scientific fact, or even give a reasonable explanation as to how it will erode my civil liberties in any way.

Before anyones goes off the handles (again), let me make it clear that I'm not saying it isn't possible for exploitation to happen. What I am saying is no one in this thread has even come close to delving into technical details involving the RFID chips. You would garner a much larger interest if you could sum up a possible misuse of the technology, in one well-formulated paragraph. Please attempt to do so, I am geniuinely interested.

[Grapes]

Man, people would probably attack you jerks a lot less if you all weren't so goddamned arrogant. Try to humble up a little or join a forum where you can spend your time talking with people that agree with you 100% of the time, because that's what you want.

K, myra just summarized anything else I wanted to add to this thread.

*unsubscribes*

[DefJef]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

All internet is filtered for keywords so yeah if i type kill bush nuclear osama whatever its stored for further analysis.

All telecommunications are monitored, filtered, screened, pressed and eaten.

Say bomb bush bin laden on any phone and you'll trigger mad recorders all over underground maryland.

http://news.com.com/2010-1069-980325.html
http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169
http://www.rfidnews.org/
http://www.epic.org/privacy/rfid/
http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/RFID_20Privacy_20Jammer

I cant finish reading this thread, too much bibble babble.. all the same old shit.

True?? Maybe. Few know for sure. If it is true, theres nothing you can do.

People that get caught up in conspiracy theories wether they be true or not, are the ones who cant accept the things they have no control over.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

Yes I knew they have already been using them in Mexico. They have also been using them in some parts of Europe. So you don't need to call me names cause I didn't mention that little bit of info. What you don't understand is, people don't care that there using chips in Mexico or in Europe, these people only care when its affecting them and all im saying is it will.

bud like youre one to talk about calling people names?

stfu! kthanxbye

[AGROculture]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

This is now the Official Boobies thread.....

haha I bet you beleive that pic is also real

[Felix]

wow what a fun read!

Fritz: alota good points through out, liked this post especially
*edit for some reason I can't get it to post with this message

Dj Franco: I'd kinda like to see some of those links about the 9/11 stuff, sounds interesting

Agro, Rawb, 3cpo2345: Lovin' it. please, keep fighting. I like to laugh. And you all do have good points

Personally I think those VeriChip things are fukt, I would never agree to putting one of those in my body.
I couldn't get to the link from the original site cuz I'm at work and they block way too many sites here so I can't have an educated opnion on THAT.

But I can't really see how they'd be able to track you with the rfid's any more then they can now since there'd be billions if not trillions of them. Sure they'll probly find ways to do more with them in the future and sure "IF" the government wanted to follow you specifically then they might be able to use those to their advantage. But I'm not plannig on blowing up the white house and I can make my own decisions regardless of media persuasion. You can say I'm a sheep or I'm brainwashed, either way, I got my own things in "The System" that I'm opposed to but there's not really much I can do besides consiously avoid those things I'm opposed to and let others make their own choices.
Maybe if I see or hear something that really upsets me I would take further action, but right now I wanna go eat a burger and buy the latest dvd and some new shoes so I'm kinda busy.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

bud like youre one to talk about calling people names?

stfu! kthanxbye

Goddessa, I don't think I have ever seen you in a good mood.


Somehow I think your gonna be the first to give into the new world order

[Felix]

So this is the post by Fritz I was trying to quote but for some reason it's not working when I try to hit quote (having issues with this thread on my comp for some reason, damned work computers)

Fritz said:
moral issues aside, sit back and actually consider the complications needed to use targeted marketing via RFID

every manufacturer would have to agree on a data standard and actually be motivated to spend money on an unproven advertising scheme

then every retailer or RFID reader-installer would have to agree to transmit this data, disregarding the fact that passive RFID is read-only, disregarding the fact that installing them would cost them massive coin, disregarding the fact that it would just show up as "object X" with no personal information attached to it.

then every data-farming/advertising company would have to recieve (buy) the information from the retailers and sell it back to them.

as single points, all these are semi-possible, but the amount of coordination and cooperation between industries would be highly unlikely. also, just like the internet, the data fucking sucks, its garbage.

so lets go through possible scenarios. say levi's puts an RFID in my pants, and theres a reader in 7-11 that i walk into.. oook, so 7-11 now knows an anonymous person wears levi's? there's no link to me at all. shit, what a conspiracy. what if sony ericcsson puts an RFID in my phone and i walk near a coke machine? so now coke knows I have a T616 cell phone? oh shit! wait, no one fucking cares, neither coke nor SE will ever pay money for that information. unless the RFID is manufactured and installed after you purchase the item, i really can't see the point. maybe if the retailer sent the RFID to your bank after you used your debit/CC and then your bank sent the information to the manufacturer? but that's beyond conspiracy, it's just ridiculous.

ps: the range for RFID sucks, its under a foot if you're lucky, you basically gotta hump the thing before it works
pps: readers cost over a grand each
ppps: having a second RFID in proximity of the first one is an effective jamming technique, so leave the tinfoil hats at home

[Dj Franco]

On another note......just as usual Canada follows the Americans with whatever they do. Torture is ok now they say, as long as it stops terrorism.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?fee...da-torture.xml

[Dj Franco]

Heres a good little article about the good old verichip.

Seriously I should have made this a poll, Im really interested in who would take this, and who won't

http://www.jsonline.com/news/editori...p05/355730.asp

that link may not work for you cause you have to sign up in order to view it, for your convience I have copied and pasted the article for you guys

Chipping away at our freedom

Milwaukee Journal Sentinel | September 15 2005
By Marcia Thurnbauer

Has anybody else been wondering what former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson has been up to since he left his position as U.S. secretary of health and human services earlier this y ear? It turns out he assumed a position as a director of VeriChip Corp., a division of Florida-based Applied Digital and a leading developer of human implanted microchip technology, also known as radio-frequency identification.

Such devices have been used for years to help identify pets that are lost or otherwise separated from their owners. All the animal shelter needs to do is scan the pet. The microchip will reveal a code that can be used to locate the owner and -presto! - Fido is reunited with his grateful human family.

But what about more important lost (or kidnapped) souls, such as children or wandering Alzheimer's patients?

It isn't much of a leap to see how corporations might be motivated (by profit, of course) to develop attractive human applications for this technology.

Already, VeriChip is marketing the implants to people for medical "peace of mind." It seems the chips can provide access to a patient's medical records in case of an emergency.

In Spain, a nightclub is offering microchips that function as sort of implanted ATMs; patrons can pay for cover charges and drinks simply by passing their arms under a scanner.

Using global positioning systems, the possibility exists that people with implanted chips could be tracked and located. (Useful if one is lost or for convicts on the lam, but who wants to feel like a perpetually endangered species wearing the human equivalent of a radio collar?)

Research is also being conducted to record neurological activity in "healthy" individuals that can be stored on chips that are then implanted into people who are paralyzed or depressed in the hope of someday creating artificial neurological impulses that can generate greater mobility or a sunny disposition.

If all of this is eerily reminiscent of the 1970s sci-fi drama "The Six Million Dollar Man" ("We have the technology . . . We can rebuild him . . . Make him better, stronger, faster"), consider that microchip R&D is racing forward much more quickly than most of the public realizes.

But do we really want science fiction to become reality? At what point does a technology that offers certain conveniences become so indoctrinated that we wake up one day only to realize that virtually every aspect of our lives can be tracked, traced, regenerated and scanned 24/7?

If you think that's far-fetched, can you imagine living without a credit card these days? Many merchants won't accept anything but plastic. Who ever thought paying for certain things - like an airline ticket or a hotel room - with cash would be a suspicious activity?

Yet all of our purchases, and much of our physical movement, can now be tracked via our credit trail. What happens if the day comes when you can't board an airplane, rent a car or charge dinner without an implant that identifies you or debits your bank account?

I imagine some folks would accept this trade-off as another necessary sacrifice of freedom for greater convenience and potential safety. (That certainly happened with the USA Patriot Act after 9-11.)

But once this proverbial horse is out of the barn, we may all find ourselves trampled by a technology that started out with good intentions but evolves into an insidious method of population control as utilization reaches critical mass.

This technology will catch on quickly. Before we blindly embrace it, we need to carefully consider the potential consequences and publicly debate its acceptable limits.

Fortunately, at least one Wisconsin legislator has foreseen the implications of radio-frequency identification if it ever becomes an involuntary requirement. Rep. Marlin Schneider (D-Wisconsin Rapids) has introduced a bill that would prohibit anyone (including the government and employers) from requiring people to receive microchip implants.

In his new role with VeriChip, Thompson has announced that he will have a chip implanted. (In fact, it may be a done deal by now.)

But don't be lulled by a popular former politician with a newfound profit motive.

I bet he will say it didn't hurt a bit.