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Dec 12, 05
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Former Canadian Minister Of Defence blows whistle on ET controversy
By “ETs,” Mr. Hellyer and these organizations mean ethical, advanced extraterrestrial civilizations that may now be visiting Earth.
On September 25, 2005, in a startling speech at the University of Toronto that caught the attention of mainstream newspapers and magazines, Paul Hellyer, Canada’s Defence Minister from 1963-67 under Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Prime Minister Lester Pearson, publicly stated: "UFOs, are as real as the airplanes that fly over your head." Mr. Hellyer went on to say, "I'm so concerned about what the consequences might be of starting an intergalactic war, that I just think I had to say something." ... Hellyer warned, "The United States military are preparing weapons which could be used against the aliens, and they could get us into an intergalactic war without us ever having any warning. He stated, "The Bush administration has finally agreed to let the military build a forward base on the moon, which will put them in a better position to keep track of the goings and comings of the visitors from space, and to shoot at them, if they so decide." click here for the full story More info here Listen to Dr Steven Greer's radio interview about the subject here: http://www.cseti.org/audio/DrSGreerW...02005part1.mp3 http://www.cseti.org/audio/DrSGreerW...02005part2.mp3 Now what the fuck can we say about US foreign policy? Thoughts? 
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Dec 12, 05
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"The secrecy involved in all matters pertaining to the Roswell incident was unparalled. The classification was, from the outset, above top secret, so the vast majority of U.S. officials and politicians, let alone a mere allied minister of defence, were never in-the-loop."
so.....if he was never in the loop, then how the fuck does he know ANYTHING? let's see now the guy was giving a speech at a conference on exopolitics, sponsored by three organiziations that specialize in exopolitics...he has no proof, no documentation, and everything he says in his speech is qualified by a "may" or a "possibly"....in other words it sounds like he believes in the possibility, but has no proof. still pretty compelling that someone who was once a deputy primie-minister is willing to weigh in on this issue.... interesting to see what happens.
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Dec 12, 05
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Dec 12, 05
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can someone post an link to an article or something on this?
the whole concept is a bit outrageous/mindblowing army on the moon? now how cool is that fighting aliens? thats suicide like hasn't anyone seen war of the worlds? this situation isn't looking good my question is if whats he's saying is legitimate how long till he either gets shut down? or how long till they start implimenting these space weapons
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Dec 13, 05
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Though for real, the pride you gloat today will be the same you have to swallow tommorow. Speaking of swallowing, wanna snowball some of your mom's puss n cum? So go on point the finger outward instead of inward and laugh all you want, but you are only hurting yourself, infact I feel sorry for you in an odd way. I mean if you want to believe I am crazy knock yourself out, but you must be awfully scared of losing your ego game or just plain paranoid to believe that over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying about their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, and ET technology are just lying. You really think they are lying? You think that many people with that much credibility are all just gonna lie and put their status on the line as a joke? People thought the Sun still revolved around the Earth over a hundred years after it was proven otherwise by Copernicus...you are definetly not take this on the approach of one scientifically minded...you are just in fear of losing your comfort bubble like most people. :178:
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Dec 13, 05
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Seems like someone is out of their comfort zone, nervous laughter is a sure sign. Because really if you think about it, there is nothing silly about the subject of ET life, infact the reason it is potrayed as such often in the media is because it's implications are extremely profound. The way those craft are powered could bring us out of all the feul industries and people would stop having to live for their car or their gas and power bills. You know you people have to consider that if all us UFO researchers are right about this technology than it could mop up the third world impovershment in our lifetime. Despite how skeptical one may feel comfortable being, there really is no harm in a public inquiry and a public debate in the media about this topic. It's implications are really that far reaching. Infact, this is the only way we will ever get to the bottom of this controversy. So I think you all need to ask yourselves, if the rewards are that high than why has there still been no public debate as far as what our political and religious leaders have to say on said subject? http://disclosureproject.org/
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Dec 20, 05
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I'm also afraid the deathstar will be fully operational:  
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Dec 20, 05
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I forget the exact measurements but they're similar
If the distance from our sun to the closest star was at 40 KM our solar system from the sun to Pluto would be less than 2 milimetres keeping in mind that the actual distance from the sun to pluto is about 35 billion miles If we were to drive to the sun going 100km an hour it would take 876,000 hours to ge there. I do believe life can exist elsewhere in our universe. There's 100's of billions of galxies each containing 100's of billions of stars. It's impossible to compute how big that really is! More than likely life on other planets aren't anywhere near us. Definatly not in the top 100 closest stars (planets are not discovered near them) so what that means is these being would have some pretty crazy technology to travel 1000's of light years (a light year is how far the speed of light which is 299,792 kms per second or 1,079,252,848.8 km/h will go in 1000's of years). Maybe even millions of light years. So it just doesn't make sense! Even if they hibernated life back where there from would go by thousands or even millions of years before they reached here! So I'm not worried and if it did happen.....well not much we can do. I mean if they can travel that far, I'm sure their weapons would vaporize us so fast we wouldn't even know what hit us! Last edited by AGROculture; Dec 20, 05 at 05:02 AM.
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Dec 20, 05
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Yeah man! we came, we saw, we kicked their ass!!
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Dec 20, 05
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but what about the philisophical arguement where absolutely everything was created by chance/probability during the big bang and the first single celled organism just formed by a random series of chemical bonds some scientists did the calculations for the chance of being able to randomly create the smallest form of life through an event such as the big bang and the % is reallly really low its something like 1 in 100 billion squared so whats to say that there is more life out there if the chances are so slim i dunno, but thats what raises my doubts
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Dec 20, 05
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There are over 450 billion galaxies in the universe and within each there are
approximately 400 billion stars. That's around 180,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. Even if only 1 in 1,000,000 stars has any planets revolving around it, there would be about 180,000,000,000,000,000,000 solar systems. It's preposterous to assume that we are alone in the universe. Quote:
The general relativity theory E=MC^2 states that nothing can exceed the speed of light. However, it doesn't take into account the elasticity of space-time. (and this theory also states that perpetual motion is impossible, but this has been repeatedly disproven by the experiments into zero-point energy, leading me to conclude that Einstein's relativity is a load of crap) So what do we know about UFO's? They use some sort of magnetic gravity propulsion system. Well, info has been leaked on this subject too: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/lazargg.htm#laz http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophys...kineticufo.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophys...eatprimary.htm http://www.boblazar.com/ The first link has a really good analogy of how faster than light travel works - "If you take a thin rubber sheet, say, lay it on a table and put thumbtacks in each corner, then take a big stone and set it on one end of the rubber sheet and say that's your spacecraft, you pick out a point that you want to go to - which could be anywhere on the rubber sheet - pinch that point with your fingers and pull it all the way up to the craft. That's how it focuses and pulls that point to it. When you then shut off the gravity generator[s], the stone (or spacecraft) follows that stretched rubber back to its point. There's no linear travel through space; it actually bends space and time and follows space as it retracts." The third link I believe is the best explanation of how magnetic propulsion works. Quote:
I mean even back in World War 2 the Germans had already invented what we would consider "UFOs," which used what they called 'Magnetic Field Impulsers' as propulsion systems and free-energy tachyon devices (invented by Nikola Tesla) as a power source. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread18875/pg1 "Every allied bomber pilot in the recent years of the war knows the mysterious threat of the so called "foe-fighters" appearing and vanishing with incredible speed and causing bright-orange light phenomenon's and paroxysmale instrumentation failures on all electric and magnetic parts of the bombers. In no source a direct attack by these "foe-fighters" is mentioned, they seem to play a completely defensive role on the late air war over Germany. Although the overall effect is minimal and has no more influence on the proceed of the war." So if they had all this back in the 1940s, and the top German Scientists like Tesla and Einstein and Oppenheimer escaped before they were killed in the war (which they did), what kind of technology do we have today? Quote:
Look into the work of Johannes Kepler. He was a late 1500's mathematician who theorized that all the orbits of the celestial bodies (planets) in our solar system are positioned acccording to exact mathematical formulas. And every single one of them has been proven to near 99.9% accuracy. (keep in mind that planetary orbits are influenced slightly by the orbit of our solar system around the center of the galaxy) A book was written based on Kepler's work called "A Book of Coincidence," which explains it all. http://www.halexandria.org/dward116.htm Last edited by raliyn; Dec 20, 05 at 11:49 PM.
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Dec 21, 05
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No Greys.....sorry Sculder n' Mully. Pretty smart way to cover up Military Tech. Make everyone interested look like Mark, crazy. 
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Dec 21, 05
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Wow that was a great first post raliyn
It's encouraged me to read more about Johannes Kepler on wikipedia and other sites
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Dec 21, 05
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It's suprising the amount of people who only believe what their TV tells them, and if it's outside of their tiny, enclosed bubble of reality they won't believe it no matter how much incontravertible evidence they are shown. For example. Many people believe that we went to the moon in the 60's because it was on TV, yet within 5 minutes of searching I could find a plethora of evidence proving beyond the shadow of a doubt that the whole thing was a scam. (The key to this one is the shadows - look at any of the pictures and video footage of the moon landing and you can find hundreds of instances where there are impossible lighting conditions. Also when they show an image of the Earth taken from the moon, the Earth is about the same size as the moon is when we look at it from the Earth. But in reality the Earth is about 6 times bigger the moon) All I ask is that people keep an open mind and look at ALL the available evidence, not just the for or the against, and THEN decide what they do and don't believe. Is this not the most reasonable way to base your opinion on something? The main problem I believe is that people are too busy to take the time to research things and thus base their violently strong opinions on things they are either misinformed or not widely knowledgeable about. Last edited by raliyn; Dec 21, 05 at 01:38 AM.
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Dec 21, 05
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And my nick is spelt correctly thankyouverymuch
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Dec 21, 05
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3 Letters for you. DMT
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Dec 21, 05
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Good job there El Hipocrito....you know what man if you aren't gonna post something thoughtful you should just stay outta the thread...I don't care about the other lemmings but you I expect more from. What's the big deal about believing in Alien life? Maybe you have to big of an ego to come to terms with yourself not being in control....I think that is most people's problem on the matter, because there is plenty of science to back up my arguement, I just don't bother to get into it here when all the people have already made up their minds without looking into it. *** Oh well, if 1 person has decided to give this a better look then it wasn't a waste of time. Good luck with your attitude on this...you'll prolly need it.
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