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Jan 18, 06
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Time & Its Discontents.
There is nothing even remotely similar to time. It is as unnatural and yet as universal as alienation. Chacalos (1988) points out that the present is a notion just as puzzling and intractable as time itself. What is the present? We know that it is always now; one is confined to it, in an important sense, and can experience no other "part" of time. We speak confidently of other parts, however, which we call "past" and "future." But whereas things that exist in space elsewhere than here continue to exist, things that don't exist now, as Sklar (1992) observes, don't really exist at all.
http://www.awok.org/time_and_its_discontents/ /Do you believe in time ? 
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Jan 18, 06
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time is a miserable cage we've locked ourselves into.
i feel like my entire existance is restricted because my life is governed by time. i'll also add that i treat and use time differently than most people. (though kinda goes without saying as this is being posted just past 5am...)
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Jan 18, 06
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This guy needs to seriously get a life.
"The world must be mediated by art (and human communication by language, and being by time) due to division of labor, as seen in the nature of ritual. The real object, its particularity, does not appear in ritual; instead, an abstract one is used, so that the terms of ceremonial expression are open to substitution. The conventions needed in division of labor, with its standardization and loss of the unique, are those of ritual, of symbolization. The process is at base identical, based on equivalence. Production of goods, as the hunter-gatherer mode is gradually liquidated in favor of agriculture (historical production) and religion (full symbolic production), is also ritual production." trying to tell us that art is bad, but he just rambles on for like 30 paragraphs about god knows what. all while trying to formulate the most complex sentences using ALL of his glorious vocabulary to make the smallest of points. lame.
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the only reason that we could possibly feel 'tied' to time, is because of our perceptions, and how we percieve things. causes always precede their effects, and we percieve only the effects of time, not time itself. i think it's just because of the type of beings that we are. since we percieve only the effects (due to the finite amount of time it takes for our senses to perceive things, EVERYTHING is technically the past, and therefore an effect) if it were it possible to percieve things at the exact moment of the cause, that would be the only way for us to detach ourselves from where we are anchored in time. but since our senses that send information to our brain rely on movement of electrons and such to get from one place to our brain, it would seem impossible.
..... "Does this mean," as David Carr (1988) asks, "that the 'struggle' of existence is to overcome time itself?" It may be that exactly this is the last enemy to be overcome. ..... i had many a discussion with friends about that when i was much younger, and i totally think that is true. at least part of the attainable goal of humans and the "'struggle' of existence " (or basically the meaning of life) should be to figure out why we perceive time in this way. however, i do not think that acheivement is an individual thing,(tho i do believe our perception of time is) but i like to think it is our existence as a whole that is growing towards such a thing. possibly millenia away... Last edited by dabbler; Jan 18, 06 at 11:23 PM.
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"But whereas things that exist in space elsewhere than here continue to exist"
not sure if this is entirely true, since in quantum mechanics, it would be changed a little.... while something might exist, it exists everywhere at once until we perceive it as being in one place. and since our perception and concept of time is just the order of things as we percieve them and then file them away into our memory....it follows that maybe time (or the sequence of effects that we are perceiving) is actually entirely created by our consciousness. "Time necessarily flows; without its passage there would be no sense of time. Whatever flows, though, flows with respect to time. Time therefore flows with respect to itself, which is meaningless owing to the fact that nothing can flow with respect to itself. " ^^^^ hella fucked to think about.... Last edited by dabbler; Jan 18, 06 at 10:36 PM.
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It's now if we make it.:276: "Time necessarily flows; without its passage there would be no sense of time. Whatever flows, though, flows with respect to time. Time therefore flows with respect to itself, which is meaningless owing to the fact that nothing can flow with respect to itself. " ^^^^ hella fucked to think about.... LSD really makes one question time and it's powers over man. I fuckin' love Zerzans writings, man is a genius !:multi:
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Art seperates the existence of mans soul from nature into a canvas on a wall in a museum where people look at what they could be experiencing and feeling, not just seeing, but actually experiencing with all the senses. His whole stance is that man was fine before agriculture/language/art/math and time all seperated the human experience from nature into symbolism. Now we are all slaves to words and time.:hurt:
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"Time is what keeps the light from reaching us" Thats my new mantra !:285:
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Much later the clock, with its face of numbers, encouraged society to abstract and quantify the experience of time still further. Every clock reading is a measurement that joins the clock watcher to the "flow of time."
this is why i don't wear a watch. i haven't since i was 12
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Jan 19, 06
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It's an awesome documentary. http://ts.searching.com/torrent/3795...s_2003_DVD_Rip In the docu he says............ "You can't violate a building or a window, to me thats just not violence." Ever since I've been hooked on his writings. http://www.primitivism.com/future-primitive.htm :066:
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