Do you have SAD?

[kiMMie]

I'm sure most of us are symptomatic due to our annual Vancouver rain this winter.

Some health empowerment for all of you feeling the winter blues:

SAD (Seasonal Affective Disorder) is a type of winter despression that affects an estimated half a million people every winter between September and April; in particular during December, January and February.

Symptoms include:

*Sleep problems - usually desire to oversleep and difficulty staying awake but, in some cases, disturbed sleep and early morning wakening.

*Lethargy - feeling of fatigue and inability to carry out normal routine.

*Overeating - craving for carbs and sweets, usually resulting in weight gain.

*Despression - feelings of misery, guilt, and loss of self-esteem, sometimes hopelessness and despair, sometimes apathy and loss of feelings.

*Social problems - irritability and desire to avoid social contact.

*Anxiety - tension and inability to tolerate stress.

*Loss of libido - decreased interest in sex and physical contact.

*Mood changes - in some sufferers, extremes of mood and short periods of hypomania (overactivity) in spring and autumn.

Most sufferers show signs of weakend immune system druing the winter and are more vunerable to infections and other illnesses.

Treatments include:

*Light therapy - shown to be effective in up to 85% of diagnosed cases. A lot of people compensate by going to a sunny destination during the winter.

*Antidepressants - ask your doctor about options as some are non compatible with light therapy.

*Counselling - to help cope with illness.

Consult your physician if you have serious concerns over this illness. Most of us generally break from the spell once the sun comes out.

-nurse kiMMie out.

[veN]

That's me..! :(

[ebbomega]

me too! funny that!

the main issue i have with psychology is that so much of what is labelled as 'disorder' isn't disorder at all but base human design.

we have light receptors on our heads called 'eyes'. when these receptors do not receive as much sunlight as normal, they get depressed. therefore, when the days are shorter, people are more depressed.

why is it when humans do it it's called a disorder and when animals do it's called hibernation?

every single person i know of suffers from the symptoms described on some level.

[thechix0r]

Yeah..I miss the sun, the other day I went to have a nap, because I was sick and classes are draining, and woke up and there was sunshine.. I called my mom and was like, look outside, there is sunlight, the mole rats are going to be coming out of their caves (ie everyone in vancouver, because we are all Vitamin D starved) and sure enough people were outside, just because of the sun, unfortunately though... it only lasted about half an hour or so...

[crackdragon]

Nope... pretty sure yrs of playing computer games and avoiding daylight all together has conditioned me

[Cdn_Brdr]

I deal with it for sure...

My thing is that I get up and I go to work and it's dark. I work all day in my office and then I leave and get home and it's dark. It makes you feel like all you do is work and I hate it.

[veN]

This has def been the worst year... Sucks.

[esoter1c]

Do you breathe ?

Do you eat and sleep ?

Do you enjoy laughing with your friends ?

Do you often sing or whistle just for fun ?

Then you might have LIFE.

If you have any of these symptoms consult your guy who gets paid to give you pills you don't really need that will actually do more harm than good.

IT'S CALLED LIFE ! FUCKIN' DEAL AND QUIT EATING A FUCKIN PILL !:233:

[-evil-duerr-]

I hate this shit, i've noticed it''s since I was a teenager. The only thing that keeps me sane at the moment is pot, writing and playing music. I cannot fuckin wait till the spring.

The other day i was feelin real down, so I went for a jog when it was sunnny(first jog in a couple months), It made me feel SOOOO much better.

We could all use some sunny days real soon! stupid winter.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Do you breathe ?

Do you eat and sleep ?

Do you enjoy laughing with your friends ?

Do you often sing or whistle just for fun ?

Then you might have LIFE.

If you have any of these symptoms consult your guy who gets paid to give you pills you don't really need that will actually do more harm than good.

IT'S CALLED LIFE ! FUCKIN' DEAL AND QUIT EATING A FUCKIN PILL !:233:

dude.... i'm not going to speak for everybody, but what makes you think that all people who suffer from SAD seek out pills?
cuz extra extra read all about....they dont.

btw. next time you go to a rave and are feelin slightly anxious and not having a total hoot. Think twice before taking your e, because ITS CALLED LIFE! FUCKIN DEAL AND QUIT EATING A FUCKIN PILL!

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

dude.... i'm not going to speak for everybody, but what makes you think that all people who suffer from SAD seek out pills?
cuz extra extra read all about....they dont.

btw. next time you go to a rave and are feelin slightly anxious and not having a total hoot. Think twice before taking your e, because ITS CALLED LIFE! FUCKIN DEAL AND QUIT EATING A FUCKIN PILL!

SAD is bullshit lies, plain and simple.

I eat e once ayear @ Shambhala.

Thx4comin'out.:285:

[-evil-duerr-]

^ just because it does'nt effect you does'nt mean it isnt true

and who cares how much e you eat? that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is you do use pills.

[decypher]

Reading up on international relations always helps me with thoughts of despair. Thinking on such a large scale makes our problems seem petty and miniscule; which they are in comparison.

[decypher]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

^ just because it does'nt effect you does'nt mean it isnt true

and who cares how much e you eat? that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point is you do use pills.

Yeh but your point was irrelevant. His original point was that the pharmaceutical sector is a very lucretive business which translates into the consumer being sold on using pills to fix every problem they have. Most of the time these medications do more harm then good, creating a bunch of souless children. Anti-depressants have even been linked to suicide, go figure?

He wasen't asserting that everyone seeks out pills to fix their problems, just stating the obvious fact that a lot of people do. You have a weak argument which fails to have any sort of validity in attacking said premise.

yeh i'm feeling pretty conflictual today.

[ebbomega]

anybody ever read palahniuk's lullaby? so many rants about how people are so envelopped in their distractions. these quietophobics. these noiseaholics. but it's the only way that you can keep yourself from going crazy with all these aspects of psychology that keep getting called disorders.

i have employment disorder. the symptoms are increased stress 8 hours a day on weekdays, lack of sleep, and exhaustion. my medication is weed in off hours, music during the commute and friends on evenings and weekends.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by decypher

Yeh but your point was irrelevant. His original point was that the pharmaceutical sector is a very lucretive business which translates into the consumer being sold on using pills to fix every problem they have. Most of the time these medications do more harm then good, creating a bunch of souless children. Anti-depressants have even been linked to suicide, go figure?

I'm aware of this. Anti-depressants are bad. The people who sell them, theyre oppurtunists. I don't think it makes SAD any less real, just because people are making money off of it.

He wasen't asserting that everyone seeks out pills to fix their problems, just stating the obvious fact that a lot of people do. You have a weak argument which fails to have any sort of validity in attacking said premise.

yeh i'm feeling pretty conflictual today.

my only argument was that sad does exist and that alot of people don't use pills to treat it. How is that irrelevent?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

I'm aware of this. Anti-depressants are bad. The people who sell them, theyre oppurtunists. I don't think it makes SAD any less real, just because people are making money off of it.



my only argument was that sad does exist and that alot of people don't use pills to treat it. How is that irrelevent?

SAD was never round till 3 years ago when some pharmacorp fuckface made it up to sell more pills.

SAD !? Give me a fucking break.

It's grey and rainy so you're sad !?

NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK !

What next a fuckin my goldfish died disorder.

Every fuckin day its some new "DISORDER" that requires medication or some fuckin shrink to help you along through life.

It's fucking life, it rains, seriously how fuckin pathetic is it that people take pills because its raining and grey.

You live in Vancouver for fucks sakes.

Move to the God damned Carribean if your so fuckin pathetic you cant deal with rain and clouds.

Can you imagine what our fucking granparents think of us nowadays ?

They had to live everyday with war famine fascist oppression !

Did they go making up all kinds of anagrams for life like sad !?

Fuckin pathetic wankers !

Pul up yer fuckinbootstraps and fuckin DEAL !

end rant:285:

[-evil-duerr-]

i do deal with it. read my first post. artists cant get enough of the emotions. Its fuel for the fire.


I was only trying to stick up for myself and the other people in this thread who aren't in the best spirits. I didnt think it was very cool that a bunch of people spill their guts and you come in and basically call us a bunch of fools for feeling this way.

thats all man!

[Erin]

Every bloody winter. I get really depressed. Every bloody winter.

[kiMMie]

I love how members take an informative thread into something so serious.

I don't think I was "promoting" the use of antidepressants or as one member pointed out "taking pills", or any pharmaceutical companies, was I??

Didn't I insinuate that perhaps those with the "blues" normally break from the "spell" once the sun comes out?

My post was merely for educational purposes. I'm a nurse... it's part of my job to hand out health education. Sue me!

PS... if there are any other rants involving your opinions on pharmaceutical companies robbing our pockets and/or forcing society to take their drugs, perhaps you should write them a formal letter

Happy Sunday!

Originally Posted by 3507321C

SAD was never round till 3 years ago when some pharmacorp fuckface made it up to sell more pills.

SAD !? Give me a fucking break.

It's grey and rainy so you're sad !?

NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK !

What next a fuckin my goldfish died disorder.

Every fuckin day its some new "DISORDER" that requires medication or some fuckin shrink to help you along through life.

It's fucking life, it rains, seriously how fuckin pathetic is it that people take pills because its raining and grey.

You live in Vancouver for fucks sakes.

Move to the God damned Carribean if your so fuckin pathetic you cant deal with rain and clouds.

Can you imagine what our fucking granparents think of us nowadays ?

They had to live everyday with war famine fascist oppression !

Did they go making up all kinds of anagrams for life like sad !?

Fuckin pathetic wankers !

Pul up yer fuckinbootstraps and fuckin DEAL !

end rant:285:

[esoter1c]

What I'm saying is that SAD does not exist.

It's fucking pure bullshit 100%.

Seriously.

Nobody has sad, people get sad but they dont have it, it is not a god damn disorder, it's a natural human emotion.

What next ! do you have MAD or maybe GLAD ?

ROFL !:285:

My post was merely for educational purposes. I'm a nurse... it's part of my job to hand out health education. Sue me!

Health Education !?

More like Pharmacorp Propaganda.

PS... if there are any other rants involving your opinions on pharmaceutical companies robbing our pockets and/or forcing society to take their drugs, perhaps you should write them a formal letter

You are absolutely right I will inform them of the harms of their medications for made up disorders that they already know about because they are the ones HIDING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE TO MAKE MILLIONS !

While I'm at it I'll write some letters to Bush which he will read personally and realise his war for oil and profit is killing millions for no good reason, and he will stop the profit from murder campaign immediately.


Seriously.:285

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

What I'm saying is that SAD does not exist.

It's fucking pure bullshit 100%.

Seriously.

Nobody has sad, people get sad but they dont have it, it is not a god damn disorder, it's a natural human emotion.

What next ! do you have MAD or maybe GLAD ?

ROFL !:285:

Health Education !?

More like Pharmacorp Propaganda.


You are absolutely right I will inform them of the harms of their medications for made up disorders that they already know about because they are the ones HIDING IT IN THE FIRST PLACE TO MAKE MILLIONS !

While I'm at it I'll write some letters to Bush which he will read personally and realise his war for oil and profit is killing millions for no good reason, and he will stop the profit from murder campaign immediately.


Seriously.:285

just because it has a clinical name dosnt mean its made up dip shit. psychologists, doctors, researchers and scientists all make up labels for 'natural' human emotions because it helps them categorize, group and search for the causes of these behaviours and emotional experiences. just think of it, the words happy, sad, excited are all labels for feelings and experiences that are otherwise abstract and hard to define, SAD is exactly the same thing and it is just as real as the excitment you link to shambhala. its the nature of investigation to categorize things, otherwise its impossible to develop logical frameworks for study.

just because somehting has a clinical definition dose not mean its an attempt to pathologize behaviour in some grand conspiracy by pharmacuetical companies to push pills. Researchers studied and compiled clinical definitions for almost every major psychological phenomena long before the advent of modern medicine. The ancient greeks studied and defined depression and schizophrenia over 2000 years ago.

ebbomega there may very well be a clincal definition of you work week experiences, that dosnt necessarily mean that doctors are trying to pathologize your experiences, just describe them.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

just because it has a clinical name dosnt mean its made up dip shit. psychologists, doctors, researchers and scientists all make up labels for 'natural' human emotions because it helps them categorize, group and search for the causes of these behaviours and emotional experiences. just think of it, the words happy, sad, excited are all labels for feelings and experiences that are otherwise abstract and hard to define, SAD is exactly the same thing and it is just as real as the excitment you link to shambhala. its the nature of investigation to categorize things, otherwise its impossible to develop logical frameworks for study.

just because somehting has a clinical definition dose not mean its an attempt to pathologize behaviour in some grand conspiracy by pharmacuetical companies to push pills. Researchers studied and compiled clinical definitions for almost every major psychological phenomena long before the advent of modern medicine. The ancient greeks studied and defined depression and schizophrenia over 2000 years ago.

ebbomega there may very well be a clincal definition of you work week experiences, that dosnt necessarily mean that doctors are trying to pathologize your experiences, just describe them.

Like I said its a human emotion not a fucking DISORDER.

Thx for comin out.:285:

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Like I said its a human emotion not a fucking DISORDER.

Thx for comin out.:285:

they can be though

i can think of a few disorders you exhibit strong symptoms of.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

they can be though

i can think of a few disorders you exhibit strong symptoms of.

Yes well Psychology is complete shite as it is pioneered by a COKE SNIFFIN IDIOT WHO THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX SO IF YOU BELIEVE IN PSYCHOLOGY YOU ADMIT TO HAVING AN OEDIPUS COMPLEX.

Freak ! :285: