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Old Feb 09, 06
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Raising the age of sexual consent from 14 to 16

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...Story/National

I thought this was an interesting piece of news, not that it matters to me, but more as an example of government in action.
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OTTAWA -- Justice Minister Vic Toews says reform of the justice system will begin shortly after the House returns in April, and one of the first items on his agenda will be increasing the age of sexual consent.

"One of the issues that I would like to see brought forward as quickly as possible is the age of protection, raising that from 14 to 16, and looking at, of course, bringing in a close-in-age exemption," Mr. Toews told reporters after the first caucus meeting of the new governing Conservative party.

"We don't want to criminalize consenting sexual conduct between youth. We want to protect young people from adult sexual predators."

Raising the age of consent is an issue that has been pushed hard by socially right-wing lobby groups such as the Canada Family Action Coalition. It has also been the focus of private members' bills entered by other members of the Tory caucus.

If Mr. Toews is successful, he will go some small distance toward satisfying those supporters who look to his party for action on the small-c conservative social agenda. That group may have been feeling some frustration after being told that Prime Minister Stephen Harper will not initiate action on abortion and would accept any outcome of a free vote in the Commons on same-sex marriage.

If raising the age of consent is done as a stand-alone bill, it could be accomplished fairly quickly, Mr. Toews said. "That's a priority of our government. That's an example of how I would like to proceed."

But former Liberal justice minister Irwin Cotler said the issue has been taken out of context. Non-consensual sex is assault and is illegal at any age, he said. And it is illegal for young people under 18 to be exploited through pornography, prostitution or in a relationship of trust, authority or dependency.

"We don't want to criminalize consensual sexual activity which can range anywhere from kissing to sexual intercourse among young people," he said.

The appointment of Mr. Toews as Justice Minister is not without controversy. The member from Provencher in Manitoba was attorney-general in his own province before being elected federally, and, last year, he pleaded guilty to the charge of exceeding personal campaign expense limits in the 1999 provincial election.

He has also been criticized for his willingness to use the notwithstanding clause of the Constitution to override court decisions that he considers out of touch with the will of the people.

During the election campaign, for instance, the Liberals distributed excerpts from an interview he did with a U.S. right-wing organization in 2003 in which he said: "We have seen these radical liberal judges who have their own social agenda coming to the bench and forgetting that their responsibility is to interpret the law and not to make law. And so we are very, very concerned about that."

Mr. Toews has also been one of the leaders within his caucus in the fight to restore the traditional definition of marriage, all of which has left him a prime target of denunciation by the social left.

In his first news conference after being sworn in to cabinet, he said he would welcome U.S.-style review hearings for candidates to fill Supreme Court openings, possibly starting with a vacancy that currently needs to be filled. Mr. Toews said yesterday that he would like to move on that appointment as quickly as possible.

Mr. Toews's indications of his plans came as Mr. Harper moved quickly on some of his own, including announcing that party stalwart John Reynolds had been made a member of the Privy Council.

Twenty-six parliamentary secretaries were sworn in yesterday, including Calgary Southwest MP Jason Kenney, who was named to assist Mr. Harper, and James Moore of British Columbia, who will have the tough job of being parliamentary secretary to a Public Works Minister who, as a senator, will be unavailable to take questions in the House.

Rahim Jaffer of Edmonton has been named caucus chairman and Jay Hill of Prince George-Peace River is the Conservative Whip.
This thread isnt meant to spark debate whether or not it should stay at 14 or whatever, its just a piece of news I found interesting. In the end, nothing will change, the young kids will still have sex with each other. Lets just hope it doesnt start a revolution of 14 and 15 year old boys and girls that want to sex for the sake of breaking a law, thus producing a whole generation of babies that are only a decade and a half older than their parents.
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personally i think it should b 16 i mean what kinda sicko is goin to get with a child that cannot even get there license and is in like grade 8!!
either way i am 21 so i dont care and i dont want any 14 year old boys lmao
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personally i think it should b 16 i mean what kinda sicko is goin to get with a child that cannot even get there license and is in like grade 8!!
either way i am 21 so i dont care and i dont want any 14 year old boys lmao
absolutly the same thought
(same age too lol)
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I think this is a good move by the government I have seen some sick shit such as 18 - 19 year olds dating grade 8 and all I have to say to that is fucking grosse..
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"We don't want to criminalize consenting sexual conduct between youth. We want to protect young people from adult sexual predators."

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Lets just hope it doesnt start a revolution of 14 and 15 year old boys and girls that want to sex for the sake of breaking a law, thus producing a whole generation of babies that are only a decade and a half older than their parents.
They don't want to make it illegal for kids to have sex so they wouldn't be breaking any laws. It's just so old pervs can't bang 14 y/o's and get away with the 'it's totally legal' bullshit.
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Its about time!! You are either not physically, behaviorally, cognitively, and/or emotionally mature enough to:

drive.... until you are 16.

rent porn, enter "sex stores".... until you are 18.

enter bars, purchase alcohol and ciggarettes..... until you are 19.

But at a Grade 9 level, you are responsible enough, mature enough, grown enough to decide if you want to engage in sexual activities with someone old enough to be your father/mother if you feel like it! Yeah, thats ok!!!

Makes alot of fucking sense, doesnt it?!
Good! I say raise it to 18/19.

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I personally hope they do raise the age to 16, hell even 18 wouldn't bother me. there are too many 14-16 year old girls (sometimes even 13 y/o) humping guys that are wayyy too old for them... not to mention older guys that scout out underage girls because they are vulnerable and what not. makes me sick.
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The whole situation is gross!

Im so disturbed seeing all these young girls who .... ahhh fuck it... im not even getting into this discussion!

Raise the age I say! Fucking perverts!
Not saying sex is bad! Just, do it with others your own age! (give or take a couple years depending on the age itself!)
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heyyyyyyy little girl , want some cannnndy
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I personally hope they do raise the age to 16, hell even 18 wouldn't bother me. there are too many 14-16 year old girls (sometimes even 13 y/o) humping guys that are wayyy too old for them... not to mention older guys that scout out underage girls because they are vulnerable and what not. makes me sick.
18 are u kidding me.. how old are u? because if u were 16 u definately wouldn't agree to that. most people at that age should at least have common sense not to have sex with people 20 years older than them but hey, ppl are stupid. so be it if u ask me

guess if this law gets put through it would encourage 16+ parties :)
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^ If I was 16, and when I was 16, I did feel the same way. I am not saying having sex with somone your age or very close to your age is bad when you are 14-17 (even though 14-15 is still quite young to be doing the nasty) but come on!Don't tell me you think it is okay for 14-16 year olds to be fucking 20-26 year olds let alone someone 20 years their senior.
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16 is still too young, 18 should be the age... young girls are insecure and very easy to manipulate. there are too many weirdo's looking for 14 year old girls to "date"
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^ If I was 16, and when I was 16, I did feel the same way. I am not saying having sex with somone your age or very close to your age is bad when you are 14-17 (even though 14-15 is still quite young to be doing the nasty) but come on!Don't tell me you think it is okay for 14-16 year olds to be fucking 20-26 year olds let alone someone 20 years their senior.

Thats the age when most teens now lose their virginity... sad but ture. Some even younger...

A lot of my gf's like to date older men and it creeps the hell out of me... and we're in our 20's... I could never date anyone 2 or even 3 years or more older than me... :gross:

Its sick for older men to go out with girls years younger than them. C'mon cant you get a girl your own age???? I hate going to pubs and having men hit on me when they are old enough to be my father or even worse grandfather... Most of my male friends say its because I am petite and look younger than I am. *shutter*

I would love to hear Willis opinion on this issue :p jkjk
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personally i think it should b 16 i mean what kinda sicko is goin to get with a child that cannot even get there license and is in like grade 8!!
either way i am 21 so i dont care and i dont want any 14 year old boys lmao
the only person that can have sex with a person at the age between 14 and 18 is a person of the same age group!

don't just read, UNDERSTAND!

lol
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about fuckign time. I'm always disgusted when guys in their 20's hit up high school girls because they're easier.
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A lot of my gf's like to date older men and it creeps the hell out of me... and we're in our 20's... I could never date anyone 2 or even 3 years or more older than me... :gross:

2 or 3 years older plus is gross for age difference between two consenting adults?


come on.
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2 or 3 years older plus is gross for age difference between two consenting adults?


come on.
hmm, kinda of a strange statement for me too! for me i just don't seem to meet guys my age. they seem to hit around the 25 mark......and i'm 22 this year. nothing under 30 seems weird to me. probably because i have friends that are 30 but its totally a number.......they might as well be 23 and they know it too :)

its like the difference between a 16 year old and 22 year old is much different than say a 22 year old and a 28 year old.
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yeah of course because a 16 year old is not an adult! and what would a 16 year old and a 22 year old have in common anyways?
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^^^ yeah thats what i'm saying. i don't understand how you could say you couldn't imagine dating someone 2 or 3 years older when your in your 20's......you may not be on the same page but your definitely in the same chapter
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Maybe not for you but for me Myra yes. I had a bad experance and now I know to stick to guys my age.

My gf's who are in their early 20's go out with men that are 28-30+... thats what I was talking about being gross. I should hae been more clear.

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