Alex Solves homelessness

[Alex]

Alright, first off, homelessness is obviously a serious issue.
To understand homelessness, one must undertsand that their are two classes of homeless.

1. The mentally or physically challenged. Many of these individuals suffer from a disability reffered to as Fetal Alchohal Syndrome, which is a direct result of the mother drinking during pregnany. These individuals are often homeless by choice, or simply because they lack the skills necessary to maintain employment.

2. The worthless sacks of shit. These individuals are what I like to refer to as a 'waste of life'. Often these indivudals are addicted to one or more substance, or simply are too lazy and incompetant to find a job. They have no discernable disabilities, and their circumstances are generally a direct result of their own choices.

My solution: Where as I do not believe in tax increases, I do believe in government funded programs. My solution to the homeless problem is both economical, effective, and given the circumstances, just and humane.

First off each individual identified as 'homeless' will be evaluated for skills and intelligence. Upon evaluation, if deemed to be unfit to enter the work force, individuals will be assigned to vocational services(which I believe should be privatized similiar to the system Alberta has in place). If deemed fit to enter the work force, each individual will be given a '3 strike' rule. This means the government will accomadate subsidized housing, and find employment for the individual, and if said individual fails 3 times, necessary actions will be taken.
Once said individual fails on the programs 3rd attempt, they will be detained, and enrolled in a government program which puts to work all deemed fit, yet un-able to maintain employment. Housing, food, and some luxuries will be provided, however no extra income will be awarded. Income generated by said program will be used to fund the aforementioned programs, thus resulting in the homeless problem
taking care of it self, rather than society being burdened with the issue.

If any individual deemed needing the pogram resist, or refuse aid, they will automatically be detained and enrolled in the government run work force. Any individuals showing improved work ethic, motivation, and an honest desire to make it on their own, will be considered in terms of being 'bumped up' back into the general public.


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[esoter1c]

The homeless are happier than the zombies.

Leave them be.

[SEAN!]

the problem is far more complex then that.


there is nothing you can do, derelicts, homeless, whatever, have existed in many different ways through out history., They will always exist and there is nothing you can do to eliminate the problem except give then a decent quality of life so they dont have to jack the rest of society.

[decypher]

Your "solution" doesen't explain how those "deemed unfit" to hold a job will be contained in this program that pays for itself.

You can't just create some draconian robocop style society where we hunt down the homeless, tag them, and put them into some sort of regiment.

As for your argument against people with FAS, it's unfair to generalize like that. Their inability to be productive is a result of the inequalities and discrimination they face. If they have FAS, it's obvious they came from a rough home, were abused, have class restrictions or any combination of all these and more. It's not just FAS causing this.

I once lived with a family for about 2 years who were taking care of a 5 year old boy with FAS. He was hyperactive and very difficult to handle sometimes. The mother did a great job of being understanding and authoritive yet allowing freedom. The boy has grown up and has become calmer and he definately isn't the unproductive waste of space that you claim people with FAS are. He was very loved and i learned a lot about life interacting with that family.

So this shows society being the constructing factor in producing the homeless. Not their debilitating factors. It's the fact that those people are generally pushed aside besides the lucky few who are taken in by caring people.

Your solution is nothing but a process comparable to bandaid style humanitarian intervention. Solves the problem superficially but the problem is still there brewing underneath.

[esoter1c]

Hey ! Preacher ! Leave those skids alone !

[Euro Dollar]

Originally Posted by decypher

Your "solution" doesen't explain how those "deemed unfit" to hold a job will be contained in this program that pays for itself.

You can't just create some draconian robocop style society where we hunt down the homeless, tag them, and put them into some sort of regiment.

As for your argument against people with FAS, it's unfair to generalize like that. Their inability to be productive is a result of the inequalities and discrimination they face. If they have FAS, it's obvious they came from a rough home, were abused, have class restrictions or any combination of all these and more. It's not just FAS causing this.

I once lived with a family for about 2 years who were taking care of a 5 year old boy with FAS. He was hyperactive and very difficult to handle sometimes. The mother did a great job of being understanding and authoritive yet allowing freedom. The boy has grown up and has become calmer and he definately isn't the unproductive waste of space that you claim people with FAS are. He was very loved and i learned a lot about life interacting with that family.

So this shows society being the constructing factor in producing the homeless. Not their debilitating factors. It's the fact that those people are generally pushed aside besides the lucky few who are taken in by caring people.

Your solution is nothing but a process comparable to bandaid style humanitarian intervention. Solves the problem superficially but the problem is still there brewing underneath.

well put.

[Belms]

Originally Posted by Alex

Alright, first off, homelessness is obviously a serious issue.
To understand homelessness, one must undertsand that their are two classes of homeless.

1. The mentally or physically challenged. Many of these individuals suffer from a disability reffered to as Fetal Alchohal Syndrome, which is a direct result of the mother drinking during pregnany. These individuals are often homeless by choice, or simply because they lack the skills necessary to maintain employment.

2. The worthless sacks of shit. These individuals are what I like to refer to as a 'waste of life'. Often these indivudals are addicted to one or more substance, or simply are too lazy and incompetant to find a job. They have no discernable disabilities, and their circumstances are generally a direct result of their own choices.

My solution: Where as I do not believe in tax increases, I do believe in government funded programs. My solution to the homeless problem is both economical, effective, and given the circumstances, just and humane.

First off each individual identified as 'homeless' will be evaluated for skills and intelligence. Upon evaluation, if deemed to be unfit to enter the work force, individuals will be assigned to vocational services(which I believe should be privatized similiar to the system Alberta has in place). If deemed fit to enter the work force, each individual will be given a '3 strike' rule. This means the government will accomadate subsidized housing, and find employment for the individual, and if said individual fails 3 times, necessary actions will be taken.
Once said individual fails on the programs 3rd attempt, they will be detained, and enrolled in a government program which puts to work all deemed fit, yet un-able to maintain employment. Housing, food, and some luxuries will be provided, however no extra income will be awarded. Income generated by said program will be used to fund the aforementioned programs, thus resulting in the homeless problem
taking care of it self, rather than society being burdened with the issue.

If any individual deemed needing the pogram resist, or refuse aid, they will automatically be detained and enrolled in the government run work force. Any individuals showing improved work ethic, motivation, and an honest desire to make it on their own, will be considered in terms of being 'bumped up' back into the general public.


rebutt away

never run in politics...ever...

[C_squared]

Similar to what they do to stray cows in India?

nga please!

[Kelster]

there's a lot more too homelessness and poverty then being unemployed unfortunates. i think that it's a small minority of the situations out there that would benefit from your idea of job training and starter homes.

maybe i'm just pessimistic but i think the majority of the people that i see on the eastside are too far gone, we should concentrate on education and prevention for the future generation, more aid towards low income families, social housing and such.

on a side note, the city needs too dedicate more resources towards the downtown eastside then on the bullshit farce that is the olympics and the outcome of the arbutus corridor. the city needs too straighten out the godly VPD, dedicate more of them onto high drug use areas. i can rant for hours it's ridiculous how far gone things are on the eastside.

[decypher]

Also possible some better control over allowing children to be with unfit parents. Sherry Charlie?

[Kelster]

Originally Posted by decypher

Also possible some better control over allowing children to be with unfit parents. Sherry Charlie?

sherry charlie was taken away from her mother because she was deemed unfit as a parent (alcoholism), i think her mother knew it was best for her kids as well. i think sherry charlie was more the result of a disorganized system that needs too get their shit together instead of going through staff like toilet paper. i don't think i'd survive a week doing what they do, talk about stress.

[Cosmos]

the government is not putting enough money into the poverty problem because the reality is someone homeless and starving on the street is less important than building a stronger armed forces, technicalities of gay marriages, or dispuiting over legalizing pot. i think the general perception of homeless is they are all criminals, why would we want to help a criminal? they are dealing drugs, prostituting themselves, and stealing money from the economy. look at the big picture these individuals are forced into these situations because the system has given them no other viable option. most government or privately funded programs (shelters, soup kitchens) don't aim to get people off the street and into normal lives but just ease some of the hardships that happen when you're in extreme poverty (like being hungry or cold). along with the current programs it would be nice to see the government implement optional (no pressure) programs for homeless so they could get educations, a living facility, and rehabilitation programs free of charge. it may initially cost the government a lot to help these people start productive legitamite money-earing lives but in the end the country would get so much back both economically and socially if the homeless could be brought out of poverty.
there is no permanent solution, there are millions of factors, but the least we should do is help those who need it.

[tiedye]

You must spread some Karma around before giving it to 3507321C again.

[Senior]

First off I highly doubt this system would be capable of funding itself. Have you ever heard of prisons? They cost a lot of money to run and this is basically what you are suggesting. What I'm not clear on is this, are you actually putting this forward as a serious suggestion? If you are really putting this forward as your idea of a workable solution I suggest you start over by reviewing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/progs/pdp-hrp/canada/guide/overview_e.cfm

This idea would not be legal as you are suggesting incarcerating people who have not committed a crime.

I think it's great you are trying to think of ways of solving an age old problem but first you definitely need to have a basic understanding of our countries legal framework.

Originally Posted by Alex

Alright, first off, homelessness is obviously a serious issue.
To understand homelessness, one must undertsand that their are two classes of homeless.

1. The mentally or physically challenged. Many of these individuals suffer from a disability reffered to as Fetal Alchohal Syndrome, which is a direct result of the mother drinking during pregnany. These individuals are often homeless by choice, or simply because they lack the skills necessary to maintain employment.

2. The worthless sacks of shit. These individuals are what I like to refer to as a 'waste of life'. Often these indivudals are addicted to one or more substance, or simply are too lazy and incompetant to find a job. They have no discernable disabilities, and their circumstances are generally a direct result of their own choices.

My solution: Where as I do not believe in tax increases, I do believe in government funded programs. My solution to the homeless problem is both economical, effective, and given the circumstances, just and humane.

First off each individual identified as 'homeless' will be evaluated for skills and intelligence. Upon evaluation, if deemed to be unfit to enter the work force, individuals will be assigned to vocational services(which I believe should be privatized similiar to the system Alberta has in place). If deemed fit to enter the work force, each individual will be given a '3 strike' rule. This means the government will accomadate subsidized housing, and find employment for the individual, and if said individual fails 3 times, necessary actions will be taken.
Once said individual fails on the programs 3rd attempt, they will be detained, and enrolled in a government program which puts to work all deemed fit, yet un-able to maintain employment. Housing, food, and some luxuries will be provided, however no extra income will be awarded. Income generated by said program will be used to fund the aforementioned programs, thus resulting in the homeless problem
taking care of it self, rather than society being burdened with the issue.

If any individual deemed needing the pogram resist, or refuse aid, they will automatically be detained and enrolled in the government run work force. Any individuals showing improved work ethic, motivation, and an honest desire to make it on their own, will be considered in terms of being 'bumped up' back into the general public.


rebutt away

[crookedking]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

The homeless are happier than the zombies.

Leave them be.

well, everbody is happier than a zombie. the only emotion that they feel is anger towards all warm bloodied humans.

[Bevvy Swift]

its not anger stupid*, its hunger, and thats not an emotion.

*unless your talking 28 days later zombies, then its anger. or rage, i mean.

[esoter1c]

:285:Zombie thread hijack !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Zombies need shelter too !!!!!!!!11!!