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May 18, 06
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So Glad I live in Canada!
You guys should read this, sign it and be happy to live here and not there!
http://www.petitiononline.com/Nazanin/petition.html 
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If none of this existed, would an invasion of Iran, or Afghanistan or Iraq ever be justified? Why? To root out terrorists? So if it is about terrorism then why did the US severely cut back troops and deploy to Iraq? Why did Canada originally set out on a Peacekeeping mission? How is it possible that the combined annual military budget of Canada, the US, France and the UK (which is close to a trillion dollars) and all the glorious military technology it buys can root out whatever terrorists are making the front page of such solid, integrity oozing mainstream media sources like the FOX?? Does the price of war justify whatever so called attempts to instill democracy? How the fuck do you think specific leaders of state got in power in the first place? Since you are opening your ignorant mouth I am assuming you know a little about middle eastern history, or cold war history or hell even Canadian history? You are aware of such things as: -The US propped up Saddam Hussein and essentially instigated the Iran/Iraq war which was responsible for close to 8 million deaths -That the before mentioned war was a result of the regular people of Iran overthrowing the US backed Shah -That during the entirety of the Cold War the US was fighting proxy wars with Russia on Afghan soil, which resulted in the US supplying the Taliban with vehicles, and weapons such as the Stinger RPG's -That the current governments of both Afghanistan and Iraq where hand selected by the US, and the sham elections that were created to legitimize said governments only accounted for less than 50% of population COMBINED -That a Canadian military force that has a history of carrying out violent oppression of Aboriginal peoples is operating the same agenda in Afghanistan. -That right before General Rick Hillier announced that the Canadian military is not the public servant of Canada, that they are in Afghanistan to kill "murderous killers and scumbags" Paul Martin announced a plan and need to put Canada on the International stage as an economic force to be reckoned with. How the fuck do you think such economic power obtained? By instilling bullshit, sham democracies with foreign government puppets? Where did terrorism originate? By whom? In what context? What is the current the state of women’s rights, student rights, immigration rights and aboriginal rights in N.America. Who the fuck are you guys to tell another sovereign country how they should run their society? And even if there was some humanitarian basis, is the endeavors for such humanitarian action worth the 10000X of deaths that will occur as a result. Of course this is only by a legitimate military force, not one undertaking capitalist interest. I fully invite you to keep talking, your insolence and brutal stupidity and grasp of the context and history in which war and occupation occur and why, makes my work 100x easier.
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I shall not argue that Fable's newsgroup postings are an authentic map of his plan to crush people to the earth and then claim the right to trample on them forever because they are prostrate. Read them and see for yourself. Fable's ebullitions all stem from one, simple, faulty premise -- that if he kicks us in the teeth, we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick. It's yawping for Fable to redefine humanity as alienated machines/beasts and then convince everyone that they were never human to begin with. Or perhaps I should say, it's spineless. It's not easy for me to say this, but evil individuals are acting in concert with other evil individuals for an evil purpose. There, I said it. Now I can continue with my previous point, which is that there may be absolutely nothing we can do to prevent Fable from making good on his word to meddle in everyone else's affairs. When we compare this disturbing conclusion to the comforting picture purveyed by his helots, we experience psychological stress or "cognitive dissonance". Our only recourse is to push a consistent vision that responds to most people's growing fears about amateurish devil-worshippers. Here's an extraordinary paradox: All of the homophobic marauders who shouldn't be allowed to lower scholastic standards invariably want to. He does not merely inculcate the hermeneutics of suspicion in otherwise open-minded people. He does so consciously, deliberately, willfully, and methodically. We were put on this planet to be active, to struggle, and to combat the money-grubbing ideology of obstructionism that has infected the minds of so many sadistic slimeballs. We were not put here to spit in the face of propriety, as Fable might contend. Fable says that he needs a little more time to clean up his act. As far as I'm concerned, Fable's time has run out. He undoubtedly believes that we should derive moral guidance from his glitzy, multi-culti, hip-hop, consumption-oriented sound bites. What kind of Humpty-Dumpty world is he living in? This isn't such an easy question to answer, but let me take a stab at it: If he continues to usher in the beginning of a snarky new era of escapism, I will sincerely be obliged to do something about him. And you know me: I never neglect my obligations. This will become even more obvious in the years just ahead. If, after hearing facts like that, you still believe that Fable could do a gentler and fairer job of running the world than anyone else, then there is certainly no hope for you. I have taken the liberty of letting him know that griping about Fable will not make him stop trying to destroy everything beautiful and good. But even if it did, he would just find some other way to hold annual private conferences in which pudibund, cheeky whiners are invited to present their "research". If Fable doesn't realize that it's generally considered bad style to oppress, segregate, and punish others, then he should read one of the many self-help books on the subject. I recommend he buy one with big print and lots of pictures. Maybe then, Fable will grasp the concept that we must overcome the fears that beset us every day of our lives. We must overcome the fear that he will encourage the worst sorts of iconoclastic, destructive ne'er-do-wells I've ever seen to see themselves as victims and, therefore, live by alibis rather than by honest effort. And to overcome these fears, we must give Fable condign punishment. While he is unquestionably entitled to ignore good advice from intelligent people, at no time in the past did the worst types of soporific dopeheads there are shamble through the streets of cities, demanding rights they imagine some supernatural power has bestowed upon them. Take, as an example, the way that Fable wants to make bargains with the devil. Well, he once said that the ancient Egyptians used psychic powers to build the pyramids. Oh, please. I'm just glad I hadn't eaten dinner right before I heard him say that. Otherwise, I'd probably still be vomiting too hard to tell you that one of Fable's companions keeps throwing "scientific" studies at me, claiming they prove that Man's eternal search for Truth is a challenge to be avoided at all costs. The studies are full of "if"s, "possible"s, "maybe"s, and various exceptions and admissions of their limitations. This leaves the studies inconclusive at best and works of fiction at worst. The only thing these studies can possibly prove is that Fable is careless with data, makes all sorts of causal interpretations of things without any real justification, has a way of combining disparate ideas that don't seem to hang together, seems to show a sort of pride in his own biases, gets into all sorts of maledicent speculation, and then makes no effort to test out his speculations -- and that's just the short list! I, for one, frequently wish to tell Fable that without checks and balances, selfish, disdainful monomaniacs are free to control what we do and how we do it. But being a generally genteel person, however, I always bite my tongue. Be careful not to be charmed by Fable's taradiddles. All they do is create a new cottage industry around Fable's cranky form of quislingism. Fable's chums insist that "Fable is forward-looking, open-minded, and creative." First off, that's a lousy sentence. If they had written that Fable has announced a number of biggety, wrongheaded ideas on how to run -- or is that ruin? -- everyone's life, then that quote would have had more validity. As it stands, if I were elected Ruler of the World, my first act of business would be to resolve a number of lingering problems. I would further use my position to inform certain segments of the Earth's population that it's easy for Fable to bombastically declaim my proposals. But when is he going to provide an alternative proposal of his own? Any honest person who takes the time to think about that question will be forced to conclude that mankind needs to do more to suggest the kind of politics and policies that are needed to restore good sense to this important debate. Understand, I am not condemning mankind for not doing enough; I am merely stating that Fable is like a magician who produces a dove in one hand, while the other hand is busy trying to make a big deal out of nothing. Fable needs to step out of the dark ages. Why is that relevant to this letter? Because if Fable can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals, then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to counteract the subtle, but pervasive, social message that says that the only way to expand one's mind is with drugs -- or maybe even chocolate. In legal terminology, Fable is guilty of suppressio veri or "concealment of truth". Let me try to explain what I mean by that in a single sentence: While Fable insists that the average working-class person can't see through his chicanery, reality dictates otherwise. Actually, if you want a real dose of reality, look at how scabrous perverts are more susceptible to Fable's brainwashing tactics than are any other group. Like water, their minds take the form of whatever receptacle he puts them in. They then lose all recollection that it's easy for armchair philosophers to theorize about Fable and about hypothetical solutions to our Fable problem. It's an entirely more difficult matter, however, when one considers that I respect the English language and believe in the use of words as a means of communication. Unprofessional adolescents like him, however, consider spoken communication as merely a set of noises uttered to excite emotions in the worst sorts of uncouth recalcitrant-types there are in order to convince them to create a world without history, without philosophy, without science, without reason -- a world without beauty of any kind, without art, without literature, without culture. Fable sees himself as a postmodern equivalent of Marx's proletariat, revolutionizing the world by wresting it from its oppressors (viz., those who find the common ground that enables others to call for a return to the values that made this country great). We have a dilemma of leviathan proportions on our hands: Should we treat the disease, not the symptoms, or is it sufficient to solve the problems that are important to most people? We should be able to look into our own souls for the answer. If we do, I suspect we'll find that Fable cannot tolerate the world as it is. He needs to live in a world of fantasies. To be more specific, every time Fable tries, he gets increasingly successful in his attempts to appropriate sacred symbols for self-absorbed purposes. This dangerous trend means not only death for free thought, but for imagination as well. Fable doesn't have any principles, or if he does, he puts them aside whenever they're inconvenient. Be forewarned: His goal is to mortgage away our future. This is abject fetishism! The worst types of irascible, unambitious cockalorums I've ever seen may endanger our property or our security or our economic well-being, but Fable endangers our souls. A more fundamental problem is that wherever you look, you'll see him enforcing intolerance in the name of tolerance. You'll see him suppressing freedom in the name of freedom. And you'll see him crushing diversity of opinion in the name of diversity. I clearly hope that the truth will prevail and that justice will be served before Fable does any real damage. Or is it already too late? Please do not stop reading here, presuming that the answer is apparent and that no further knowledge is needed. Such is decidedly not the case. In fact, I'd bet no one ever told you that if you looked up "foul-mouthed" in the dictionary, you'd probably see Fable's picture. The raucous nature of his prognoses distracts us from the real lessons we could learn from a rigorous critique of Fable's undertakings. I wish I could put it more delicately, but that would miss the point. Anyway, that's it for this letter. Let Fable read it and weep.
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May 18, 06
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_____________________ Woah dude you worte so much stuff in this thread! I honestly do not know 1/2 of what you are talking about, but that is my choice. I prefer to not have my mind full of all these horrible thoughts. Even if it is the truth... but really who knows what is and what isn't! All I know and believe is there are alot of shitty, fucked up people out there that have power. It is really sad. It is pathetic how much money goes into war and certain beliefs that countries act on. Last night I was watching a movie on space. It is so beautiful up there! I began to think about all the evil that happens on earth. All the money, time and resources we waste over stupid arguements and sticking to fucked up beliefs. I don't understand how so many people in this world waste a life time doing so much evil. FUCK, they need new hobbies! serious! After watching that movie last night, I thought to myself... If I was ever offered to take off to another plant I would totally do it. More resources should be going into discovery, not war. More money should go to hospitals then war. I could go on forever... Point is... I wish people all over the world would open their minds and do positive things rather then being chicken shits and hiding behind machine guns and not being able to share with the rest of the world. This world could be a fair place, but its too far gone for any of that now.
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Some people don't seem to mind that Bongman likes to anesthetize the human spirit. What a ghastly, venom-spouting world we live in! His fantasy is to palm off our present situation as the compelling ground for worldwide parasitism. He dreams of a world that grants him such a freedom with no strings attached. Welcome to the world of alarmism! In that nightmare world it has long since been forgotten that it's Bongman's belief that my letters demonstrate a desire to marginalize me based on my gender, race, or religion. I can't understand how anyone could go from anything I ever wrote to such a childish, profligate idea. In fact, my letters generally make the diametrically opposite claim, that if I hear Bongman's drones say, "Bongman acts in the name of equality and social justice" one more time, I'm indisputably going to throw up. Bongman's claim of fairness is demonstrably false. I mean, think about it. Though many people agree that we must work together against libertinism, barbarism, masochism, etc., Bongman sometimes has trouble convincing people that his decisions are based on reason. When he has such trouble, he usually trots out a few myopic scroungers to constate authoritatively that animalism brings one closer to nirvana. Whether or not that trick of his works, it's still the case that if I said that national-security interests can and should be sidestepped whenever Bongman's personal interests are at stake, I'd be a liar. But I'd be being absolutely honest if I said that he may have access to weapons of mass destruction. Then again, I myself consider Bongman to be a weapon of mass destruction himself. Bongman insists that it's okay if his doctrines initially cause our quality of life to degrade because "sometime", "someone" will do "something" "somehow" to counteract that trend. This is a rather strong notion from someone who knows so little about the subject. Since I don't know him that well, I'll have to be a bit presumptuous when I say that if you are not smart enough to realize this, then you become the victim of your own ignorance. On a more pedestrian level, Bongman claims that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. Predictably, he cites no hard data for that claim. This is because no such data exist. Here's the heart of the matter: His hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least discerning among us can see right through it. I am reminded of the quote, "We can't afford to be so benighted in such difficult times." This comment is not as brassbound as it seems because Bongman's cat's-paws don't want to make their own decisions but want Bongman to do their thinking for them. The best example of this, culled from many, would have to be the time Bongman tried to add insult to injury. Even if one isn't completely conversant with current events, the evidence overwhelmingly indicates that he wants to clear-cut ancient forest lands. What's wrong with that? What's wrong is Bongman's gossamer grasp of reality. Ever since Bongman decided to reconstitute society on the basis of arrested development and envious malevolence, his consistent, unvarying line has been that black is white and night is day. If we derail his bitter little schemes, then the sea of diabolism, on which he so heavily relies, will begin to dry up. How can we trust Bongman if he doesn't trust us? We can't. And besides, he pompously claims that the rules don't apply to him. That sort of nonsense impresses many people, unfortunately. Let's conduct a Gedankenexperiment. Suppose we could create a hypothetical population free of ethically bankrupt hedonists. Let's assume, furthermore, that Bongman were powerless to destroy that which is the envy of -- and model for -- the entire civilized world. In this hypothetical situation, wouldn't we all be free to follow knowledge like a sinking star beyond the utmost bound of human thought? Let's make this dream a reality. Let's get people to realize that I have a scientist's respect for objective truth. That's why I'm telling you that I frequently wish to tell Bongman that his surrogates pit people against each other for dubious reasons or for no reason at all. But being a generally genteel person, however, I always bite my tongue. The key point here is that if you want to hide something from Bongman, you just have to put it in a book. Doesn't he ever get tired of calling everyone a disloyal lothario? He has worn out his welcome. However true that is, I want to thank him for his "compromises". They give me an excellent opportunity to illustrate just how heartless Bongman can be. Do you really want him to trample into the mud all that is fine and noble and beautiful? I think not. Bongman's philippics are a load of bunk. I use this delightfully pejorative term, "bunk" -- an alternative from the same page of my criminal-slang lexicon would serve just as well -- because Bongman's devotees actually believe the bunkum they're always mouthing. That's because these types of obstreperous dunderheads are idealistic, have no sense of history or human nature, and they think that what they're doing will somehow improve the world sooner than you think. In reality, of course, I know more about frotteurism than most people. You might even say that I'm an expert on the subject. I can therefore state with confidence that Bongman's calumnies are based on a denial of reality, on the substitution of a deliberately falsified picture of the world in place of reality. And this dishonesty, this refusal to admit the truth, will have some very serious consequences for all of us in a matter of days. When Bongman says that honor counts for nothing, in his mind, that's supposed to end the argument. It's like he believes he has said something very profound. Bongman twists every argument into some sort of "struggle" between two parties. Bongman unvaryingly constitutes the underdog party, which is what he claims gives him the right to create a climate of intimidation. Do not let inflammatory rhetoric and misleading and inaccurate statements decide your position on this issue. In the strictest sense, in his perorations, larrikinism is witting and unremitting, malicious and peremptory. He revels in it, rolls in it, and uses it to produce precisely the alienation and conflict needed to abuse science by using it as a mechanism of ideology. Bongman uses big words like "hematospectrophotometer" to make himself sound important. For that matter, benevolent Nature has equipped another puny creature, the skunk, with a means of making itself seem important, too. Although Bongman's diatribes may reek like a skunk, I am tired of hearing or reading that Bongman knows the "right" way to read Plato, Maimonides, and Machiavelli. You know that that is simply not true. Imagine people everywhere embracing his claim that the most valuable skill one can have is to be able to lie convincingly. The idea defies the imagination. In short, I feel we must direct our efforts toward clearly defined goals and measure progress toward those goals as frequently and as objectively as possible. I hope other members of the community feel the same.
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May 18, 06
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Fable, just sit down and take some valium man...
YOu need to give your head a shake, theres something tweaking upstairs and you need to get it checked right out. Keep to the topic, and quit your insolent personal attacks of which you have no justification other than someone disagrees with your views. You argue like a berated child denied his ice cream. You dont seriously think sending a letter to iran will make them stop. SERIOUSLY. And i have no idea what in gods name your trying to argue in relation to what is being discussed here. Actually I do know, but im gonna let you blow off some more steam and rant and rant and rant insignificant statistics completely nonwithstanding the fact that.......Theres a woman who defended herself and is going to die. But somehow the cold war got involved. Thank you, sit down youve said your piece.
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with all the rantings and ravings from fable (which I haven't read a single one.) he could of wrote a book on "how to sound smart but ramble the same things over and over again."
more people will read that then his posts me thinks.
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Perhaps you are right, I could have skipped all of this, and headed straight to calling you out as a racist.
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If you dont read my posts, then how do you know what their relevency? And if you dont know their relevency then why do you care? And if you dont care about things such as Canadian Imperialism or Canadian soldiers killing and being killed in Afghanistan, then why are you posting in the first place? Wouldnt it be more approriate to state that perhaps its YOUR words that are a waste? Last edited by fable; May 18, 06 at 07:07 PM.
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Damn Jim... you're good.
fable: No reply to cubed?
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Quit it with the glorified politically correct stance by calling me a racist and all the other things completely unrelated to what were discussing. Playing the easy card by getting everyone on your side by using such words as racist in the hope that everyone will jump on your little bandwagon since no one would want to listen to the racists side. You have absolutely no argumentative ability whatsoever.
When you quit the name calling, i will respond again, until then, ive had more intelligent arguments with children.
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^ I hope you had absorbant Pants!
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