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I would say anyone who knew this information before reading it in this post, and exactly what Soo said.
Oldschool jungle is the name given to a style of electronic music that incorporates influences from genres including breakbeat hardcore, techno, rare groove and reggae/dub/dancehall. There is significant debate as to whether Jungle is a separate genre from drum and bass as some use the terms interchangeably. [edit] Subgenres Subgenres of oldschool jungle include:
[edit] The term Jungle While the use of the word to describe what is now known as 'Jungle' music is debatable, the emergence of the term in musical circles can be roughly traced to Jamaican/Caribbean toasting (a pre-cursor to modern MCs), circa 1970. References to 'Jungle', 'Junglists' and 'Jungle music' can be found throughout dub, reggae and dancehall genres from that era up until today. It has been suggested that the term 'Junglist' was a reference to a person either from a section of Kingston known as 'The Concrete Jungle' or from a different area, 'The Gardens', which was a leafy area colloquially referred to as 'The Jungle'. The first documented use of the term is within a song featuring Jungle producer and lyricist Rebel MC. In which a sample was taken from a much older dancehall tune containing the lyrics "Rebel got this chant - "'alla the junglists"[1]. At one time there was even some confusion and debate as to whether the use of the word "Jungle" was a racist referral to its apparently blacker, reggae-influenced sound and fans. This seems unlikely as whilst it has been suggested that it was the black youth of Britain who fueled the early Jungle and drum and bass scenes [1]. This was only the reality very early on and is now a racially diverse mix of fans and producers alike. Some early proponents preferred to define the "Jungle" element as representing the deeper and darker sound of the heavy beats and bass lines, while others saw a connection with tribal drumming, percussion and simplicity. Producers and DJs of the early 90's; MC 5ive '0, Groove Connection and Kingsley Roast, place the origin of the word in the scene with pioneers like Moose and Danny Jungle. [edit] The emergence of the Jungle sound In the summer of 1992, a Thursday night club in London called "Rage" was changing in response to the commercialization of the rave scene (see breakbeat hardcore). Resident DJs Fabio and Grooverider; amongst others, began to take the Hardcore sound of to a new level. The speed of the music increased from 120bpm to 145bpm, whilst more ragga and dancehall elements were brought in and Techno, Disco and House influences were decreased. Eventually the music became too fast and different to be mixed with more traditional rave music, creating a division with the other popular electronic genres. When it lost the four-on-the-floor beat, and created percussive elements solely from raw, 'chopped up' breakbeats, the old-school ravers would complain that it had "gone all jungle-techno". The club 'Rage' finally shut its doors in 1993, but the new legion of "Junglists" had evolved, changing dancing styles for the faster music, enjoying the off-beat rhythms and with less reliance on the chemical stimulation of the rave era. [edit] Jungle's decline Jungle reached the peak of its popularity between 1994 and 1995. It was toward the end of this period that the genre diversified into drum and bass as most producers started to incorporate new sounds and rhythms into their music. The co-produced "Timeless" by Goldie and Rob Playford (released on Playford's Moving Shadow record label) is the clearest example of a track from this time period which is not considered Jungle. Showcasing the new wave of high-tech music production tools being created and computer and audio-software possibilities, 1995 ushered in many of the biggest names in drum and bass today. The term 'Jungle' was then used to describe a large range of electronic dance music and so has become too vague to be useful. [edit] Jungle today Today the term "jungle" is mostly used as a synonym for drum and bass (See Jungle vs. drum and bass). There is a dissenting viewpoint which asserts that jungle exists distinctive to drum & bass, despite the progressive changes brought by the interpretations of emerging artists throughout the 90s (some examples being Reprazent, Ed Rush, LTJ Bukem, Goldie and Optical). There is certainly a thriving underground movement producing and developing tracks in the style of a decade ago and some original (though currently mainstream drum & bass) jungle producers have noticed this new enthusiasm for the original sound. For example Shy FX, creator of "Original Nuttah", has recently launched the Digital Sound Boy label, featuring tracks with the structure and production values of modern drum & bass but with ragga vocals and multiple reggae and old school elements. It should however be noted that ragga vocals and old school elements have always featured in the the works of drum & bass producers and labels, particulary True Playaz. The vast majority of jungle artists at the end of this article could be labelled drum & bass artists and most would not recognize a distinction. 
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My world isn't dark and grey because nobody considers me a junglist and, truth be told, with the common judgemental outlook most junglists seem to hold, I wouldn't want to be. What does bother me is the fact that out of a room of people all there to enjoy the same music, 80% of the room won't carry a conversation with you because you're not wearing camo, even though you have just as legitimate of a conversation brewing under your skull. I'm a musician, and I see this kind of hostility wherever I go, whenever I try to meet new people into the kind of music I feel like jamming at the time. It's really hurting the entire music culture. Maybe I just spent too much of my life in a small town where it doesn't affect the music scene at all, because we're all happy to have a new imagination to jam with.
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this post has happened once every 6 months since the loungex days.
We've pretty much had it with responding with intelligent answers. This is one of the dumbest posts i've ever seen. Be yourself, dont stick into a lame stereotype.. I can hardly see anyone calling themselves a junglist when they're way older. Grow the fuck up.
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Visit Toronto.
Go to a Show... it's all about people that have the love of the Music.
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The last 2 posts are the best yet!
Who cares what you could be 'classified' as! House Heads, Trance Addicts, Junglists, BreakBeatFreaks, whatever, we all love the music! So who gives a shit!
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What *does* happen is that people in general don't get into too many random conversations with strangers (unless you party with e-tards) but in general that's more of a vancouver thing than any one scene. People are cliquey and snobby here - it's been like that for years. You'll see the same thing happen in most scenes...
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Ive found the people in vancouver and the party scene out here to be alot nicer and such in that way then any other party scene Ive been to since I came out here!
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I would say love for the music...It is nothing to do with your personality...how angry you areor what you wear at all...
It is all about love for the music.
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I've been to some really tight little Jams in Brampton that were great fun.
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Blender thursdays at club 23 The bar i work at is having an industrial night this friday, come check it out if ya like.
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hrm, i was at that party (samuari) but was so exhausted that I might have seemed stuck up - (stupid 6am timeslot).
I do agree that the puds in the dnb scene are total elitist puds, but there seem to be puds in every scene. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about Vancouver from visitors and newly settled transplants from other cities is how unfriendly everyone is here. Not so much that people here are assholes, but more that people are just not very open to meeting new people. I hear tons of complaints on how difficult it is to make friends in this city and how cliquey everyone seems to be. Most of those complaints mirror what you're noticing in the dnb scene so it leads me to believe it's more of an issue with the people in this city rather than just the people in the dnb scene.
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lol first party i went to there was sound clash 3, one of the first things i was told by some random was dont go up front and dont block the dj view, you will get stabbed...lmao ..mkay
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hahahahahaha lovely!
Sound Clash VI is coming up... might go check it out.
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This is one of thoes threads where its gunna go on forever!
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BTW, what I caught of your set was deadly. You spun with DJ Wood, right? Hip hop, I think?
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