North Korea: Undercover in the secret state

[Anjew]

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For those of you not familiar with North Korea or for those of you who thought you knew North Korea, take a good look at this video. I had no idea it was this bad.
I can't sleep tonight.... I'm in shock after this video..... This video is a landmark and hopefully the stepping stones to a better North Korea.



ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- Images from video smuggled from North Korea show a public execution and what appears to be a concentration camp housing political prisoners, according to a CNN documentary set to air Sunday night.

In one clip, the residents of a village gather on a hillside to watch the firing-squad execution of a man accused of helping a defector cross into China.
North Korean dissidents shot the video, which they smuggled out of the country through a network of contacts into their communist neighbor to the north.


The North Korean government did not immediately respond to CNN's request for comment on the documentary's allegations.


Human Rights Watch has estimated there are 200,000 political prisoners inside North Korea; Pyongyang denies any camps exist.


North Korea is the last Stalinist regime, a closed one-party state founded on a personality cult, a rogue regime known for repression of its people and a menacing nuclear arms program, a nearly bankrupt nation, where, in the 1990s, the U.S. government says more than 2 million people starved to death during a famine. Kim Jong Il denied the famine even existed.
Sarah McDonald, who produced and directed the documentary, "Undercover in the Secret State," said her crew interviewed a man who had been in a camp shown in the movie.


"What he described, we didn't put it in the film," she said Friday from London, England. "It is so appalling, you just can't imagine. He said that 95 percent of people who go into that prison die in the prison. Their whole motivation is to kill these people, but they won't let them die easily.
"They -- they torture them to death over a very long period of time."
Dissidents used new technology like small digital cameras and cell phones to get the images and to set up their escapes to China and safe house in Bangkok, Thailand, the documentary shows.


In another scene, a man defaces a poster of Kim Jong Il then flees the country with the image. He tells Korean journalist Jung-Eun Kim he wants the world to know of the growing opposition movement within North Korea.
Other images from the film include emaciated children begging and stealing on streets littered with dead bodies and a nearby market selling bags of rice that had been provided by the United Nations for famine relief.
"Some of [the dissidents] are motivated because their families actually starved to death in front of them, and they realized that they just had to go out and seek a way of ensuring that their lives were changing in the future," McDonald said. "Others have actually had a sense of the outside by going into China and realizing that life on the outside is not what it appears."

[stringbeans]

i havent seen this but i have a feeling its ridiculously biased

[Anjew]

take a look at it... everything we see of North Korea is what Kim Jong Il allows us to see.
so this is a really good watch... i'm curious to know what you will think after you watch it.... if you watch it.

[crookedking]

it must be pretty bad if people from NK are trying to smuggle into china.

[stringbeans]

Originally Posted by Anjew

take a look at it... everything we see of North Korea is what Kim Jong Il allows us to see.
so this is a really good watch... i'm curious to know what you will think after you watch it.... if you watch it.

and everything we see from the documentary is what CNN + US allows us to see

not saying that whats seen in it isnt valid, but cnn is notorious for putting spins on their reports to reflect the current state of relationship between the us and whoever

[ja_raul]

CNN and documentary dont go together in my books, that being said.. i want the footage or i wont believe it.

[Anjew]

Originally Posted by stringbeans

not saying that whats seen in it isnt valid, but cnn is notorious for putting spins on their reports to reflect the current state of relationship between the us and whoever

I agree with this.
However, some of the pictures in it are pretty well.... they speak for themselves... the ones where people are lying dead in the streets and no one really acknowledges it.
The ones where a train stops and people parade the train grounds for fertilizer to sell for food...

it's pretty disturbing...

But don't be mistaken, I don't think it's a CNN reporter or anything like that... I think this tape was shown to CNN and they decided to "present" it

[decypher]

This may be the same documentary that was aired on CBC news world a month or 2 back.

Does it have some scenes where one guy was smuggled into China and finally gets in touch with his family back in N. Korea by the use of satellite cell phones?

[Anjew]

not sure if that's the one....
There's a chick commentating the whole time.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by decypher

This may be the same documentary that was aired on CBC news world a month or 2 back.

Does it have some scenes where one guy was smuggled into China and finally gets in touch with his family back in N. Korea by the use of satellite cell phones?

That's the one I saw, I think while I was in Tokyo... so November ish

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by stringbeans

i havent seen this but i have a feeling its ridiculously biased

I saw one done by the BBC which was approved by the NK government which was basically one of the first times they let western journalists in and it was ridicilously biased, too. It had families hand picked by the government that they were allowed to follow and the families almost seemed robotic and scripted when they were doing anything or speaking in front of the camera. The government only allowed them to film and show more fortunate families in cities, and wouldn't even allow them access to the less fortunate rural communities. It was really strange, almost creepy to watch.

I'm sure it is biased, but the truth is still the truth.

[souper salad]

i wonder if tryannical systems like these can continue indefinately without outside interference? or does every society have its breaking point.

[miss.myra]

^ Arguably, this system has gone on for way, way too long, probably because the West has little or no vested economic interest with anything NK has to offer.

Interestingly, through seeing the afforementioned docu, it's very strange to see a society that seems so untouched by Western influence, it was almost surreal because that lack of influence doesn't really exist in many other places in the world..

[Grapes]

i wonder if tryannical systems like these can continue indefinately without outside interference? or does every society have its breaking point.

Well nothing lasts forever. Lack of outside interference, or even influence as myra just noted, has certainly helped to prolong the status quo. How well Kim Jong-Il plays the dictatorial game will determine whether his reign is ended by coup, or by time.. no-one lives forever.

He's played it really well so far, though. That is to say he's been such a cruel and uncompromising bastard that there hasn't been any chance for rebellion. At least not that we know of.

[souper salad]

when men will not be ruled by God, they will be ruled by tyrants

atheistic communism ftl