yet another new live recording

[mux]

Holas,

Ok - well, I gotta get my 2005 demo recorded and a thousand CD's manufactured before the end of January, so I guess I better get off my ass and start that. I still had gigs to concentrate on, but my last one until the end of January was this weekend. I managed to get a recording of it, if anyone is interested:

http://lfo.fsck.org/~drew/mux_-_live...-_20041127.mp3

Would love to hear any feedback, good or bad - sorry about the quality of the recording, a nice polished CD of some of my choons will be coming up soon!

[ppcock]

im downloading a mb a second!

[ppcock]

we noticed a few tempo changes that werent made with all the gear thus producing a slower sound or a trainwreck in the dj slang hehehe :) they were quickly fixed and we were back to bobbing our heads

this recording would've been better without the crowd.. or were you trying to go for a chris liberator live pa set? : )

its still awesome though mux.. but i'm a fan of quality and the crowd turns me off. at the 4:18 part its too busy and the listener cannot make everything out.

luckily for me.. I love busy = )

awesome 303's oh baby.

[mux]

Originally Posted by ppcock

we noticed a few tempo changes that werent made with all the gear thus producing a slower sound or a trainwreck in the dj slang hehehe :) they were quickly fixed and we were back to bobbing our heads

Heheheh, yeah, that's what happens when you forget to change the default tempo to be the regular tempo... when I launched those long Southpark samples, they were launched as a new "pattern" on the MPC, and the tempo of the pattern was 120bpm instead of 145bpm. D'oh.

this recording would've been better without the crowd.. or were you trying to go for a chris liberator live pa set? : )

See, imho a really great live recording *does* include the sound of the crowd, albiet mixed in lightly with a recording straight off the mixer. I do know that other folks don't appreciate that as much, tho, so next set I record I'll be sure to release a copy with and a copy without crowd noise.

its still awesome though mux.. but i'm a fan of quality and the crowd turns me off. at the 4:18 part its too busy and the listener cannot make everything out.

luckily for me.. I love busy = )

awesome 303's oh baby.

Heheh, yeah, I know the recording is crap. It's hard to EQ all those sound sources live - compare the tracks with other live recordings of the same tracks, and tehy sound completely different. I'm still just learning how to do this stuff, only done about 20 shows total so far. :)

After Christmas, I'm saving up to get one of these, and answer the question of how to properly record live shows ONCE AND FOR ALL. It's ABOUT TIME someone came out wiht a device like this, I've been asking for one for years now...

http://edirol.com/products/info/r4.html

For reference, I have one more show at the end of January, but after that I'm not doing any more shows until I have a whole new live set. The new set will almost definitely include a lot more 303's (I'm gonna start bringing out the FR-777 ), and currently I'm trying to figure out if I can somehow manipulate intelligent lighting (something like maybe four of these) and sequence them live with my MIDI sequencer...

I've got my sights set squarely on the big summer outdoor parties... >:)

[Séguin]

Downloading... I missed this party :(

[*Kane]

:312: so far im lovin it

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Not a bad set, very analog. Recording could use some impovement, but that's obvious. A DAT or a laptop would be nice.

[mux]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Not a bad set, very analog. Recording could use some impovement, but that's obvious. A DAT or a laptop would be nice.

Heh - I agree, the recordings need to be MUCH better quality. The reason they're so bad is because I basically recorded the room using a stereo microphone... I didn't really intend to release the recording, but enough people asked for a copy that I thought I should. Ideally, I should have recorded a line-out from the mixer instead of the microphone. I'll be doing that in the future... but I won't use a DAT or a laptop. I have never heard a good MP3 of a show that was recorded with a laptop - there's always something that meefs. To date, I've seen laptops fail to record shows for the following reasons:

- sketchy power caused blue screen of death (two times!)
- someone tripped over the power cord and nobody noticed until after the battery died
- beer spilled on laptop, causing hang
- 2GB filesize limitation caused only the first two acts to be recorded
- external soundcard and lighting rig on the same circuit, massive crackling whenever the lights changed
- levels set to high, massive digital distortion (yuck)
- recorded just fine, software crashed when saving the file
- recorded just fine, burned to CD, deleted from laptop to record another set, CD was a meef

DAT is a good one, for sure, but the downsides are also many:

- rental DAT is $50-$60 per night
- DAT tapes are $18 each, and you shouldn't really reuse them
- buying a used GOOD PRO DAT recorder is still $1000+
- buying a used not-as-good consumer-grade DAT recorder is $400+ and the record heads have a lifespan measured in hours.
- cheaper DATs have a strong tendancy to break in odd ways, ie. that make them record for 40 mins just fine, but stop recording at 41 minutes

Ideally, a good live-recording rig should be able to record a full rave techno party, start to finish, at very high quality. I've been researching this for long, and it seems like the ideal answer is a pair of Alesis MasterLink recorders sync'd together with SP/DIF. The reason isn't so simple - I've gotten recordings before on two minidisc recorders simultaneously, and for some reason, sometimes the minidisc drops a few frames of audio... at the end, when you try to mix the two recordings together, they start on the same note, and end on the same note, but one recording is longer than the other! It's incredibly frustrating, and has happened a bunch of times.

Also, the only real way to prevent overloading (and we all know a few DJs who like to ride the reds all the way, no matter how shitty it sounds) is to use an expensive outboard compressor/limiter... and if you want the crowd *and* the mixer recordings, you need to use a quad compressor/limiter, or *two* regular stereo compressor/limiters.

See, that's why I'm so excited that this just came out:
http://www.edirol.com/products/info/r4.html

I'm already saving up - thought it sounds like they want $1500 USD for it. :140:

OTOH, building a box to do pro-quality recordings would be like eight rack spaces and at least $3500 to get equivalent quality...

Anyway - thanks for your props on my set. :) Just wait, I've been writing down ideas for my spring/summer live-pa set, and it's gonna *rule*!

[P.A.R.T.Y]

The Edirol looks awesome, a very sound investment (haha). I guess if you bought the Sony SBM DAT player, it would be nearly the same as buying the edirol. Yet, having 4 channels of stereo audio at 24/96 is better than 1 line-in at 20/48, the improvment is worth the extra dough, thanks to recent advances in technology.
At one point I was considering going live, I had an amazing rig, but I didn't have many songs. So I just recorded my songs at the highest quality possible each time I had a new release. At the moment I have around 6 finished songs. I think if I had my gear again and the midi, I could play live, but its too late. There were a few good tweek sessions where the tb303 would come out from hiding and man I just love twisting the knobs and unmuting sounds from the R309, oh well...
Keep up the good work.

[mux]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

The Edirol looks awesome, a very sound investment (haha). I guess if you bought the Sony SBM DAT player, it would be nearly the same as buying the edirol. Yet, having 4 channels of stereo audio at 24/96 is better than 1 line-in at 20/48, the improvment is worth the extra dough, thanks to recent advances in technology.

Heheh - gotta remember, the Sony is still a DAT, which means 90- or 120-minute tapes. The Edirol is a 40-gig hard drive, which'll record 17 hours straight! I suspect that drive can also be upgraded, but I haven't heard for sure yet.

At one point I was considering going live, I had an amazing rig, but I didn't have many songs. So I just recorded my songs at the highest quality possible each time I had a new release. At the moment I have around 6 finished songs. I think if I had my gear again and the midi, I could play live, but its too late. There were a few good tweek sessions where the tb303 would come out from hiding and man I just love twisting the knobs and unmuting sounds from the R309, oh well...

Nice - yeah, there's a HUGE jump from being able to play live for 20 minutes to being able to play live for an hour or more. It took me like three years of work before I was able to do a set that lasted longer than 45 minutes! :)

Too bad you got rid of the gear... Vancouver needs more live-pa folks.