|
|||||||
| DJ Promo and Downloads Rep your new set, your new tune, your next gig |
 |
|
|
LinkBack | Topic Tools | Rate Topic |
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
From what I have viewed, I will agree with Marty....
Even though the scene is shifting and cd's are being used more freely, I find it cheating knowing how many dj's dont pay for their mp3's. Vinyls are the more regulation proof that you have the rights to the track, well to play it atleast. Giving out a tracklisting is quite stupid IMO due to newbie dj's grabbing your hard sought after tracks later and becoming superstar dj's themselves by YOUR signature tracks. In my example, if anyone drops Dj Isaac - Nobody Listens to Techno...I will shit bricks (if its a local of course)...and if I see its cd... respect will be lost. But in another situation if a dj approaches me themselves and asks to ID a track, I will be more than happy...its the whole ettiquete and respect that djs should have, unless its really a top secret promo that I cannot tell anyone (Which at times can be good, just incase a lawyer happens to be at a party representing the artist that the sample got stolen from...which is like One in a Trillion). As for the constant bashing, the best way to resolve it is to have a show down oldschool style, have both CD-J's and Vinyl, have the crowd judge and may the victor win the spoils. (I think thats how its said) 
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
I ain't takin any sides on this situation but I wanna give my 2 cents in regards to vinyl vs cd. In this day in age ya piracy is a big thing no questions or doubt s about that. Yet when one hears of a dj that only uses cdj's all they think is "pirated music" and you stick with that. With technology now days one will really never know where the true main source of the music is coming from. Did they download it from itunes or some other service that is a paid service for individual tracks or albums that can be downloaded? You can't just assume that there pirated tracks or not, especially when you don't have any solid evidence at all. Even when you look at the disk and its a burned copy you still can't accurately judge if its legit or not. When you downloaded for something that you paid for you have the right to make a copy for your own personal use. So if you do burn it does that make you a "pirate dj?". One always targets cd's all the time but have they ever seen anything that is on the market where you can make your own vinyl copies? Perfect example is the Vestax vrx-2000... What is its main function? Well its designed to record onto vinyl. So now can you say that anything being pressed on vinyl is considered as legit?
Personally I can't even tell if its legit or not. If it has a white label is it legit? how come there ain't no markings on it? whats on it? are there other tracks by other producers that normally "shouldn't" be there if you tried to compare any albums? Its just the same god damn thing as a burned cd as far as I am concerned which is a copy. And even without the vrx-2000 there are many places out there that will press anything you want based on the machinery that they have. So if I take a burned cd recorded tracks on them then take a vrx-2000 and press the same tracks on them and I hold it up to one's face can they tell the difference? Where will I get the most respect? oh right the vinyl well guess what... just got it recorded. So you'd hate someone's guts if they had it on a cd but on vinyl you'd through your heart out which in this situation I would find just plain ignorance. Personally in a sense I see that technology has destroyed what dj'ing used to be for both vinyl as well as cd's. But what are you going to do? are you going to go after the manufactures that built these cdj mp3/cdr compatible products?. But wait those are the same manufactures that built equipment for mixing vinyl... So what are you going to do hate them or love them? They've been selling these products with great results and it seems like that there not going to cease any type of production of that equipment. So again who are you going to go after.. the dj where you don't know if the music is legit regardless of what type of media they are using or the manufacture who makes the product but your to afraid to disrespect them because there older products. If you can't make a decision then maybe its time to sell all of your equipment and music and go on with choose another hobby cause its just going to go around in circles and circles. If I remember correctly I saw a live video feed of ferry corsten at club avalon in nyc. What is he ranked now number 1 or 2 dj in the world. His whole entire set was all cd's. What does that make him? where does your respect go? Do you respect him because he took a 4 minute track from ayumi hamasaki and ripped it into pieces added constant climax's and loops only to make it 8-9 minutes long and call it a hit simply because its a "remix" or even a better example he ends up using an old known turntablist scratch sample of a robotic noise saying "its time" and again adds beats to it and makes a single out of it with half a dozen remixes of it. One may say "well he travels around the world so his vinyl collection would be heavy". Right and with the money he is making just to make an appearance does having to pay an extra fee for having your equipment with you affordable?. And then you have bt who showed up at solid's nye massive with a laptop and was doing all his mixing on the laptop. Much respect to him right? boy was he spinning some great tracks.... (insert sarcasm here). Alot of people gotta stop hating regardless of what they spin whether if its in cd format or vinyl format. All its going to do is just hurt the electronica community by fighting. Where do you wanna see the electronica community be in vancouver? It ain't going to go so far if it continues to escalate like situations like this. And even if someone gets in shit because they have an unreleased track in cd or in vinyl or somehow someone finds solid evidence that its a rip then it ain't your responsibility so it ain't your responsibility. If your comfortable with spinning with just vinyl then thats great, if your comfortable with just spinning with cdj's then thats great also. Regardless of the situation there is piracy of any kind on both sides all because of technology. P.S: Nice mix marty
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
I'm not hating on cds, industrial, goa djs use cds because most of their stuff will never be put on vinyl.
I am also a CDJ, i know how to use them I know how to spin them.. I dont care about piracy and shit. I was simply stating the quality of the sound is too crisp and you can barely hear the full bass. And a DJ using CDS to play techno is laughable, I've never seen it and I probably never will.
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
No one should assume things, but I was NEVER planning on doing a techno mix on CD's. I was, however, planning on doing a hard/acid house mix. That thread that I posted asking for suggestions was asking for HOUSE tracks, not techno. Marty, go see that thread for yourself - you'll see in my first post that I wasn't asking for techno cause I wasn't planning on doing a techno mix. Here's that thread: http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=74812 - and just cause I asked for a tracklist to this mix here, it doesn't mean that I was gonna rip those tracks off and make my own mix!
Anyways, and this discussion on CD vs. Vinyl is so old now, lol. Everyone has valid points - no denying. I have to admit that vinyl sounds better when played live and has more bass and CD's loose that edge when it comes to loudness and bass on big sound systems, but I won't stop using CD's cause I only have CD decks and no money to buy vinyl decks again. :( Last edited by FireWire; Mar 25, 05 at 03:11 PM.
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Of course there will be a legit mp3 to Dj Isaac - Nobody Listens to Techno, the sample now is copyrighted by Eminem and some agency and costs (not allot might I add) to use in a track. Also as menchioned the Vestax Dub Writer does make vinyl copies, but this is the vinyl that is cheap and good for a measly 30 plays before its deteriorated and tossed in the WARPED box... people who get tracks and put them to vinyl themselves are called Bootleggers, its a big Piracy vs Copyright battle in the industry. But once your a producer there is no way one can get away with anything (Due to the fact that your infringing the law when on your liscence its stated that you are only allowed to produce and release your own material...meaning if you but a right for a sample...its yours), especially if your famous and spin overseas, allot of the bigger names have respect with eachother when it comes to tracks, either they ask for permission to play the track (which i did with Reloop when i discovered i had a good 5 tracks that i got from a source, and to add that werent released yet, then played it them for Promo exposure at Godspeed 2 which was approved by Oliver Klitzing himself), or they simply buy the rights (buying a record). Cd's have been rated to be the future, but its only a matter of time til one gets deep into the career that they cannot play the tracks that they havnt bought, I can name an example (and ill leave the dj nameless) but once a track was played just to fill a set, and as it turns out it was an untitled bootleg mix that was to be released in the next coming weeks, and the headliner approached them and nicely said not to play it til its released cause that track was his that still wasnt finished (Post Production Mastering, etc etc). Some headliners are stuck up and will try to give you a hardtime on the spot with the manager that they usually have with them.
IMO though, cds are still cheating cause I can easily get an Mp3 compatible CDJ and play my whole collection on mp3's and be a superstar DJ... common now, whats the fun in that... Vinyl will always have a place in a dj's heart...always.
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Same with remixing, you make a track, then pay a dj some money to remix your track... Then press it, and depending on how good your track and the remix (the dj's rep aswell) then its pure money one you hit your break even point. to do that...like i stated earlier you need to have a valid liscence (same with any musician that wants to have their music mass produced and copyrighted) The music industry is bussines in the end :(, the best part is, if you love your music, then someone pays for you to get famous... DO IT!
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
2 factors on that question Liam. According to canadian law it is legal to share files in canada because the government already signed a bill years ago with the recording industry that any type of recordable type of media would have to contain a special tax for royalties. The second you try and sell that content or are making an income as a result then you are breaking the law. So individually if a dj plays a set for free then it is considered as legal. However the only catch to it is when it comes down to the promoters. The promoters are charging people to enter the venue and therefore income is being made. In this case the promoters would be responsible based on legal reasons of the content being brough to the venue, so in other words even if you have 1 dj that brings "pirated" music and it is investigated by authorities then it would be the promoters that would get charged with the offence and not the dj.
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
when people go they are paying for the party though... say a frat house throws a huge party and they make people pay $5 to get in... does this mean the RIAA can sue the frat house if someone plays a burned disc on the stereo because the party had a cover?
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
The RIAA cannot sue anyone outside the United States, however, if that frat house party was within the US, then they could sue the organizers of that party for bringing a DJ who used pirated music. Barely nothing ever happens to the DJs themselves who use pirated music because they get it from other pirated sources. If that DJ was the actual source of the pirated music that he/she used, then they could get sued.
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Its the whole essence of knowing wether the dj is ripping off the producer... the scene is about support to keep the music alive...
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
I got an idea.
who the fuck cares? I agree with bozga "the scene is about support to keep the music alive" Although many, many people are not in the scene for the music.. but for the drugs and to be "accepted" PA-FUCKING-THETIC
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Yep if some "authority" finds out and seizes the music and verifies its illegal and ppl were being charged to enter that party then someone can get in deep crap by the authorities. The law doesn't state in detail as to how the income can be made because the income can be made in various ways. So its plain and simple, If pirated music is found to be playing and who ever is hosting the event is charging people then they are making income on music that was not legaly purchased therefore its considered as illegal.
And yes Tigran I took basic law courses which ranges from small claims court all the way up the federal court and am always up to date in regards to information with the canadian dma and copyright acts. :P
|
|
Mar 25, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
Hrm agreed, Guess when I go home I should drop some acid and listen to Purple Rain by Prince and the Revolution
|
|
Apr 04, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
Lisa Lashes dropped nobody listens to techno when her and Anne came to Calgary last month fuckin pricless......
|
|
Apr 04, 05
|
|||
|
|||
|
lisa and anne dropped like all techno that night they only played like 5 hard house tracks...it was sick man the roof was dripping from the sweat.
if thats what you mean when you said they dont play techno..well they sure did props that night to tyler c and the vinylslut crew
|
