Rnb Vocals over hip-hop beats.

[dj4mula]

K, this is starting to get sad. Ever since fuckin Ashanti's sang over Notorious Big's "One More Chance" beat in Foolish. It seems artists think its good to sing over hip-hop beat. This is NOT the case. Foolish is probaly one of the worst attempts at it to.

Stop fuckin doing it, cuz it don't fit. Here are some more examples of this:

Next - Juicy 2002 (over Biggie's Juicy)
Alicia Keys - Juiciest (over Biggies Juicy to )
Mariah Carey - You Had Your Chance (over Dr. Dre's Nuthin But A G Thang)
Toni Braxton - Me & My Girlfriend (over Tupac's Me & My Girlfriend)


~Tim

It's All A Dream, I used to read Word-Up Magazine!

[Moon]

some r&b works over hip hop beats but some doesnt... the really lovey mariah and ashanti shit DOESNT work... they gotta stick to ballads... but peeps like usher, genuwine, ms dynamite, lauryn hill and janet.. their voices work PERFECTLY with hip hop beats.. i wanna hear more of this!

but as for those songs u listed i agree... SHIIEEET

[Wood]

this isn't something new. that trend can be traced back (like most features of modern dj culture) to Jamaican sound systems in the early 60s, when different deejays/singers would toast/sing over the same riddims. Also, since the early days of hiphop there have been records made as responses to other records, usually diss records going back & forth between rival crews (the most classic example probably would be MC Shan's 'The Bridge' in response to BDP's 'South Bronx', to which they replied back with 'The Bridge Is Over'). I think it's kinda cool that this is carrying over into urban rnb, i mean it comes from the same lineage so it was inevitable, really. Of course, this practice could be puzzling to people outside that culture who haven't taken the time to educate themselves about it's history. Not that i think all the tunes you mentioned are neccessarily good, but i don't dislike any of them because they re-use beats.

[Moon]

^werd man but lets take musical value to the test =)

the songs tim listed arent bad, theres just wayyyyy better music out there.
songs i feel take r&b and hip hop to a new level are
naughty by nature and big pun - we could do it
method man and d'angelo - make ups to break ups
ms dynamite - it takes more
2pac - i aint mad atcha
janet and joni mitchel - gone till its gone

and for reused samples....
montel jordan - get it on tonight vs da brat - whutchu like

both are dope and work well =)

[matéo]

I find it Ironic that a lot of those songs are sampled to begin with so the true topic would be "rap/r&b vocals over Funk/Soul Beats"

The ones up there I know foolish was done pre ninetys and was kind of a james brown type track
Saqme with snoop dogg I wish I knew the producers it would back up my point way easier