anyone on here like hip hop? and i mean true hip hop here...

[christof]

just wondering if anyone else is into hip hop out there? it seems like you gotta have id in order to see any bigger name acts out there...

so what's your fav groups/mc's? and what are your general thoughts on hip hop? like or dislike etc etc
feel free to get as detailed as possible with your replies...

i hope this can turn into a reasonably intellectual talk...

[oliver]

lets start off with "true hip hop" shall we? mwhahah

FIRST POST!

[rawb]

OHMIGOD I LOVE J5 AND SOLE HOLY CRAP OMG OMG OMG

[BreaksBoy]

J5 RULES!!!! Chali 2nA is the MAN!!!!

[Crazy Dave]

go mast'a P

hahhahahaa

I don't know what true HipHop is,,, but I do know shit that's NOT hiphop at all.

[christof]

what i consider true hip hop would be any type of hip hop where the artists keep with the roots, where the biggest thing on an mc's mind was what the best describing words were for the issues he felt strongly about and letting his thoughts be known to the listeners. and then you have my definition of "un" true hip hop... ex. rappers like nelly, puff daddy, jay z and everyones favorite, eminem. these guys could careless if they were able to express themselves and their views to a listener. all they care about it cookie cutting a regurgitated beat with lame attempts at lyrics overtop. its all about the H to the Izzo right?

j5 are one of the biggest innovators of hip hop but they've definetly started drifting to the dark side with their new cd, waaay to over advertised if you ask me.

[meth0dical]

Originally posted by christof
and everyones favorite, eminem. these guys could careless if they were able to express themselves and their views to a listener. all they care about it cookie cutting a regurgitated beat with lame attempts at lyrics overtop.

i personally dont like eminem, but he sure as hell knows how to express himself to his listeners through music...
my fav hip hop would hafta be necro, smut peddlers, atmosphere, ill bill, and swollen members when they were still underground..

[christof]

you think eminem expresses himself with his rhymes? man i highly doubt he's the hardcore badass he makes himself sound out to be...

necro is definetly up there in my books too, fuck guy came out with a track making fun of eminem and he manages to get christina aquilara to sing a few rhymes in the track too. now thats pimp.

"you're stabbed up with a scalpel,
cut through your adams apple,"

thats what im talking about!!

[*Jessica*]

i listen to a lot of necro, atmosphere and krumbsnatcha

[EminencE]

what about the other elements of hiphop? like the graf, beatboxing, breakdancing and the turntablists...? i'd say that define's hiphop as well... not only the music. (tho it DOES play a big role)

i love the fact that vancouver has its fair share of hiphop acts such as the hiphop expo and other special events that spectrum trows. yes you need to be 19+ and tickets are more pricey than normal clubnites, but it's usually worth every penny.

fave group/mc? hmm... the roots will always be up in my books... acelyalone, beatnuts, jedi mind tricks, quasimoto.. yadda yadda.

and as for eminem... throw him up on a stage, lay a beat and watch him go. when it comes to straight freestyling, he's up there with the big timers. sure he's 'mainstream' now, still doesn't mean he, or any other performer you deemed 'untrue', can't freestyle (whether in battle or not). just because they dont do it, doesn't mean they can't.

my 2cents.

-TiFF-

[LDUB]

actually, there are a large number of hip hop events that are at clubs, and are still all ages (well, there used to be when I was underage..), they just aren't all that well advertised and usually don't have the big BIG names. this site hasn't been undated in a while, but still the info on canadian artists is there: www.hiphopca.com

guh, there are a lot of good sites, just have to find them again... I used to follow hiphop religiously, but then that damn rave music took over.. damn you RAVEMUSIC!

[Courtney]

[quote]Originally posted by LDUB
[b]actually, there are a large number of hip hop events that are at clubs, and are still all ages (well, there used to be when I was underage)

WHERE?? as far as i know, most club events you have to have id or be 19, but i could be wrong

on topic, i'm a big fan of necro

[LDUB]

well... its not the clubs, it depends on the event.. there have even been some at sonar.. I dunno if they still do it though.. this was like 3 years ago that I used to go...

[christof]

anyone out there got any luv for buck 65?
he's one of my favorite lyricists. or how about deltron??

Originally posted by EminencE
what about the other elements of hiphop? like the graf,

i left out graf cuz the question i had it mind only had to do with the musical side of hip hop (hence why i posted it in the music sections)

Originally posted by EminencE
beatboxing, breakdancing and the turntablists...? i'd say that define's hiphop as well... not only the music. (tho it DOES play a big role)

those 3 elements are all fine and dandy but in my opinion they start to stray away from the ideals of hip hop. reason being is because all three of those are very performance oriented. they're often only done in order to impress the onlookers. whereas hip hop is about expressing yourself for yourself, and if it just so happens that 100 people at the club hear what you got to say. thats more of a fringe benefit rather then the goal of it all. (turntabalism i would have to say would be the least of the three that are about impressing others, not expressing yourself but it still fits in there to an extent)

sorry for the rambling i hope the jist of what im trying to say gets across...

[rawb]

Originally posted by christof
what i consider true hip hop would be any type of hip hop where the artists keep with the roots, where the biggest thing on an mc's mind was what the best describing words were for the issues he felt strongly about and letting his thoughts be known to the listeners. and then you have my definition of "un" true hip hop... ex. rappers like nelly, puff daddy, jay z and everyones favorite, eminem. these guys could careless if they were able to express themselves and their views to a listener. all they care about it cookie cutting a regurgitated beat with lame attempts at lyrics overtop. its all about the H to the Izzo right?

j5 are one of the biggest innovators of hip hop but they've definetly started drifting to the dark side with their new cd, waaay to over advertised if you ask me.

your backpack is showing. you have absolutely no idea.

having a musical preference is fine, but labeling what you like as 'real hip hop' is a pretty bold judgement for some white kid canadian consumer to be making. how do you decipher realness? what you read on a website? what's in your liner notes? the mp3s you download?

again, you have absolutely no idea.

[dj4mula]

Originally posted by christof
what i consider true hip hop would be any type of hip hop where the artists keep with the roots, where the biggest thing on an mc's mind was what the best describing words were for the issues he felt strongly about and letting his thoughts be known to the listeners. and then you have my definition of "un" true hip hop... ex. rappers like nelly, puff daddy, jay z and everyones favorite, eminem. these guys could careless if they were able to express themselves and their views to a listener. all they care about it cookie cutting a regurgitated beat with lame attempts at lyrics overtop. its all about the H to the Izzo right?

j5 are one of the biggest innovators of hip hop but they've definetly started drifting to the dark side with their new cd, waaay to over advertised if you ask me.

Why do u have to start hating on artists once they start making money? So "some" artists do sellout, but can you really blame them for changing. You gotta rhyme about what happens, and big deal if money starts coming there way. When money starts coming in you change there lifestyle changes. When Jay-Z first came out he rhymed about living in the ghetto. When he made it big, do u expect him to continusly rhyme about the ghetto when you know he's not living in the ghetto anymore.

Man, people are still hating on Eminem. WTF? Eminem hasn't really changed, except he doesn't freestyle as much as he did. And he doesn't have to, cuz he's on ontop. It's about money, and always will be about money.

PS - To all the people jumping on 50 Cent's dick, he's been around for almost 3 years.

[Hot Karl]

if u want real hip hop, cop tha new benzino.







lol

[jmzD]

j5 and b.e.p., tribe and de la, mef and red

but i like e40 for my untrue listening pleasures,
coz you know he speak the real. Speak the real? SPEAK THE REAL! ;)

[Lush]

This is definetly a controversial subject, but when it comes down to it I think that defining "real" hip hop is different for every individual. I've always looked at artists like Aesop Rock, Sage Francis, Buck 65, Grouch, Zion I, etc. as real hip hop because these artists manage to use deep and meaningful lyrics to express themselves and/or their opinions. Let's take Aesop Rock and Jay-Z for example:
Listening to an Aesop Rock track is refreshing.. it's like beautiful poetry, the poetic devices, subject, tone, and the way the lyrics correspond to the beat makes his music a classic. On the other hand the last time I listened to Jay-Z he was biting off of a 2pac track.. modifying the lyrics a bit, adding some eye candy (Beyonce Knowles) for publicitiy and calling it his own. Now don't get me wrong, there's still a lot of good mainstream artists out there, I'm just sick of hearing songs that revolve around the subject of "money, bitches and cars".. which seems to be the topic of choice for the majority of successful "hip hop"(?) artists out there.

Oh and RE: Buck 65... he's like my God, I heard he's having a show at Zulu records sometime soon.. i'm not 100% sure though, if I find out more information I'll post it.

[Clayton.]

I luv all elements of hip hop, and i agree with shades hip hop is differant to every individual i never thought of it that way but it makes alot of sense.
Some hip hop i like is.
Big.L (r.i.p)
A tribe called quest
artifacts
people under the stairs
sweat shop union
zion
the pharsyde
black eyed peas
...and a bunch i can't think of right now.

[tufflove]

holla !!!!
i love eminem!
i hate graff and graff artists.
an im into those magnum 45's ..............juicy!
oh an' my graff hoes flexin' in 'dere short fur collar parkas.
BIGG UPS FO' THE GIRL FEELIN' ATMOSPHERE.....SLUG IS THE ILLEST!
.
............MiSS................ :kimmie:

[Mirage]

hip hop is tha shizzle!!! i'm all about the hieroglyphics, camp lo, and others...too many to list shiiit!!!

[tufflove]

chris .....problee not.
just a shot in the dark.
so how you been?
seriously?
ps graffitti and all the elements are best done at raves.
hahaha no one will get that but you.

[Courtney]

shades-aesop rock is dope~

[PHUNK]

mobb deep.

n.o.r.e.

blackmoon.

u-god and/or inspecta deck.

boot camp click



theres a few for ya that i would like to see again. those are the ones i think that would do the best here in vancouver anyways.