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Dec 13, 04
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Calling your boss on their shit.
Now, my boss has always been kind of quirky, but lately it's getting to be way too much.
There are so many things that she is doing wrong right now, and I'm begining to not be able to just sit there and say/do nothing about it, because now it is starting to affect the entire department's performance. I'm pretty certain that her boss wouldn't notice if examples were not pointed out to him because he's busy trying to run three departments (one of which is brand new and requires a lot of attention because it's got a lot of problems as all new things can have) I'm thinking that I really really should say something to him, I've even frustratingly made a list of all the specific mistakes she's made so I have good examples to back me up. On the other hand, I really don't want to seem like I'm being too insubordinate or like I'm straight up whining. Really, I feel like my whole team is wanting someone to say something, and I feel like I'm the one to do it. So my question to everyone is- have you ever been in a situation where you were faced with the choice of wether or bring it up or not? What did you do? And did it work? 
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Dec 13, 04
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nah, of course not.
I'm so sure I can set up a meeting, it's been done before. I guess I just have this fear of digging myself into a hole instead of improving anything. Also, I know there was someone in my position before who got really really frustrated, called a meeting, had a list, but he totally lost his cool in the meeting and as a result was fired, I certainly do not want that happening y'know?
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Dec 13, 04
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I imagine they'll be more open to the idea of your boss being the problem if they already lost one staff member over the issue too,.
I've done this before and I think the only thing you have to watch for is them thinking your mega whiny or the 'young go-getter' that causes hastles, even if your right it can look bad on you like you were saying. I just pulled humble and disconnected, don't make it a personal mission in the meeting, don't get mad or emotional, and don't give ultimatums,. present the issues going on tell them how your staff is responding and assure them in not so many words that your can handle shit whether they pull your boss out of there or not,. i figure thats thats what your supposed to do in a leader style roll and there no way they can get pissy with you for trying to help the company.
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Dec 13, 04
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I work with in a smaller group of people so I might see things differently than say someone who works for a corportation with a large number of employees.
In my opinion / what I've seen: It's always best to go straight to the source of the problem instead of going above and beyond them. Although it's frustrating to have to work with someone who is not pulling their weight/making mistakes, the higher ups (atleast where I work) don't appreciate this, for the most part. I say 'for the most part' because there are always exceptions to every rule. It's a delicate situation, because you don't want your boss to think you are ratting on them. It's not likely they will be fired and they will continue to be your boss.
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Dec 13, 04
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Ok this is very simple on the surface. Yes you should definetly say something but like everything in the buisness world it's not what you say but how you say it. Approaching your boss and saying I know you are extremly busy ith setting up the new departments I feel it's important that people do their best to keep you informed when situations arise that deserve your attention. As of late I have been and so on and so on. Having a department that's not running well and falling apart at the seams is not good for his job either and you have to get that accross in a subtle way. If he's reasonable and you can present and case where you are apealing to him for the better of the company, the department and him. Give him also solutions. DO NOT just give him a bunch of problems. "I have some concerns but I do have some solutions that I'd be interested to hear your input on" is a clause. Hun you're no dummy! Just do what you feel is right but go in loaded. Not just with points of interested but and agenda of how you want the conversation to go and directions you want to lead it and how to lead it in the direction you want. It's not always easay depending on your boss but sometimes shits gotta be said or nothing will ever change. I recently had a yelling match with the owner of my company and after 2 hours of it I think I finally got my point across. Now I'm not saying yelling at your bos is smart but in this particular case there is no other way to get through as I have exhausted everything else throughout the years. Good luck! Bosses are like pitbulls they sense weakness!
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Dec 13, 04
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ya i had the same problem once, i was doing ALL the work, and this other lazy bitch wasnt doin shit, so i went to the boss with a list of shit shes fucked up and not done and told his ass me or her, she was canned later that day :)
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Dec 13, 04
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Humor?
I remember my boss when working at second cup. Everyone called her dragon lady as she was known to drag staff members by the ear and have no paciance. She did have a human side to her though. Once I found out hwo to make her laugh I was able to get around her bichyness, and could bluntly point out her CONSTINT HIPICRITICAL MISTAKES. Myself and co-workers kind of built a friendship with her and knew how to joke around where she was given the option to laugh so she wasnt so embarast or felt threatend. So in a way we still sent teh message... yet either side didnt feel so much like "i did somthign wrong" or their job was at risk.
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Dec 14, 04
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I CONSTANTLY talk to my GM about stupid shit my supervisor does, and when she makes me mad I storm into his office and just vent. That being said, at work I am generally a very cheery, funny, light-hearted person, so my GM knows that if I'm frustrated enough to come to him, there is a problem. Myra, I know you've been putting up with her idiocy for a looooooong time now, and I definitely think it's time to a) talk to her boss, b) run off to Mexico. I like option a better because I will miss you if you go to Mexico. Just be clam, and open with "I don't mean to seem like a nag, or that I don't perosonally like my boss, because she's a great person, but there are a few things that are bothering me and hindering my performance". Make it about YOU and how her actions affect YOU. If you make it about her they will see it as an attack - if it's about YOU it makes it look like you just want to do your job better, and it also doesn't make it look like you are criticizing her. Good luck lady!!
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Dec 14, 04
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Employees at my work who are CONTANTLY going above their supervisor are the whiners of the group. When you go and complain about the "stupid shit" your boss does to their boss is anything done about it? Does your boss know you're constantly going above them and if so, how is it working with them? I just know I wouldn't want to work with someone who was always doing that to me.
Personally if I were to make mistakes and cause others a hard time working I would much rather my own employee talk to me about it and work things through, rather than constantly ratting on me to my boss. However some people are not too professional and you really can't talk to them like a human being, so that's where the "exceptions to every rule" comes into play and I'm assuming this is the case with Myra. Sometimes when it gets too far... then you do what you have to do.
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Dec 14, 04
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My problem is that my boss is very very stubborn and can be very immature and take feedback extremely personally.
If she was a more rational character, I'd totally be down for laying it out for her, but she's not unfortunately :(
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Dec 14, 04
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It depends on the person, 100%. I have a personal relationship with my supervisor, therefore she does NOT take criticizm well from me at all. Not to mention she thinks she's perfect and never makes any mistakes! gah! And yes, going to my GM does make things better. He discusses things with me, and then we usually have a meeting with my supervisor afterward. Like I said though, if you make it about YOU and YOUR job and YOUR ability to do YOUR job, it won't look like you're pointing fingers!
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Dec 14, 04
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Eh, it's tough here, that's for sure.
Yesterday she really really screwed up, and I was venting about it with someone from another team who agreed her actions were entirely inappropriate. I told him that I was so frustrated and that I wanted to speak up, but because my work habits have been under the microscope lately (which is an entirely different issue- we can all relate to a completely hippcritical boss right?) I might not be the appropriate one to say something. This guy understood and went and talked to HIS team lead (same level as my boss but different dept) who was so rad and understanding and he said he'd talk to the higher ups about it. He had a meeting with me too and said if I felt comfortable, I could address these issues with him and he'd discuss them on my behalf. It's really cool when you know you have people on your side. Oh, and one other thing I want to add is that although my boss is stubborn and unbearable , HER boss is very very approchable, kind, and easy to deal with. Which is why ultimately I feel way more comfortable in approaching the matter with him.
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