My Japanese-Canadian Forefathers Helped Build the Hope-Princeton Hwy During the War

[jenai]

Slave labour at 25 cents an hour.

The government put them in a guarded prison camp at Copper Creek with the RCMP watching over them.

Contrary to popular opinion, the RCMP are not really police; they are a paramilitary force formed mainly to catch common people demonized by the rich.

During the war, they were used in lieu of soldiers, many of whom never returned from WW1 and a lot of them didn't come back from Dieppe due to the lack of any military training of one of Queen Elizabeth's relatives (Mountbatten). Ultimately this man was pretty much given other military tasks which wouldn't lead needless deaths.

Anyone still want God to save the Queen?

Anyway, BC Liberals in that area, and the Granby Mining people, conspired to enlist able-bodied Japanese-Canadian as slave labour, to replace men off to war to fight a war which was precipitated by American embargo on Japan.

Allenby and Copper Mountain was full of non-Asian people, and the Liberals feared that these men would poison their only source of water, the Similkameen River. Gee, that would take a lot of piss and shit if they built the boot camp upriver. This is why Copper Creek became boot camp. It's downriver from Allenby and Copper Mountain.

Work began 20 miles east of Hope.

Camp 406 could host 115 men, but they'd need thick blankets due to the fact that May 15 is when weather turns warm.

Instead 26 men showed up because of resistance. Why? Because of the subtle racism behind much of the political action preceding internment. But 26 men were ready for camp.

Finally by March 13, 100 men were detained and sent to Princeton. Basically they were told to report to the Immigration Building or else.

100 men were also sent to Hope. The government's plan was to bulld the highway from 20 miles out of hope and from Princeton, and meet somewhere "in the middle".

Work commenced, but on May 16, a man went missing. SN became depressed because he had been forcibly removed from his family, and isolated from them for over 6 weeks. He tried to hang himself three times due to homesickness. Such is the byproduct of slave labour.

So the RCMP escorted him home.

If these guy had been put in prison, then they would have beaten him or let non-Asians have a crack at him. So, no doubt internment camp was better than prison.

Even so, it is disrespectful to separate Japanese people from their families.

It is also child abuse to force minorities to assimilate or else face corporal punishment i.e. in an adoptive or foster home, which was done to minority child in a few adoptive and foster homes in Canada and the US.

Internment camp for men is like corporal punishment, so the camps in Ontario violated Geneva Convention.

Technically prisons violate human rights, but you have in them men so antisocial that without prisons and left to fend for themselves on an island would kill themselves rather than abandon violence for anything less, which is considered being weak.

However, non-violence is a stronger cohesive force than violence can ever do. Violence against children only leads to unruly children or worse, conduct disorder which evolves into criminal sociopathy.

Canada is thus lucky that family values moderated the abuse suffered by internment so that at the worst, Japanese Canadians fell prey to alcoholism and drug abuse when they thought they were merely practising recreational use, a couple of whom were murdered by hitmen over drug debts.

And when you look at the hitman, who grew up in Surrey, you see that abuse in his family led him to make "bad" choices which led to his callousness, a necessary trait for a psychopathic murderer who also killed that drug family in Abbotsford.

All in all, Japanese internment in BC was due to covetting the property of the Japanese, combined with greed.

Thus Canada's internment of Japanese Canadians was not to protect them but to rob them.

And $21,000 per person still alive in 1984 was nothing more than a token apology.

And the fund for Japanese and minorities is only for arts.

If you want to major in science, then you have to either be born with a silver spoon in your mouth (like all the families who were this side of yakuza i.e. the Nishio, the Nishiguchi and the Morii), or work your ass off to fund it or pay off the student loan.

But the point here is that Japanese Canadians helped build the H-P Hwy between Tashme and Princeton as POW slave labour.

Remember that next time you drive to Princeton on it.

[Vitamin-X]

I"m sure the Canadian government has already fallen all over itself
begging for forgiveness over this. Although to date I don't believe the
Japanese have ever admitted any wrong doing in their internment of
foreign nationals. And that's not even mentioning their treatment of pow's.

So yeah, I don't care.
I'm sure it's a fine highway.

[inside]

Originally Posted by jenai

If you want to major in science, then you have to either be born with a silver spoon in your mouth (like all the families who were this side of yakuza i.e. the Nishio, the Nishiguchi and the Morii), or work your ass off to fund it or pay off the student loan.

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Well a jenai rant that almost makes sence. Yeah War is a bitch and What happened to Japanese Canadians was a whole lot of bullshit.

but the mention of cost of University? uh? Were all in the same boat regaurdless of heritige.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Thanks for the Road. :)

[Clayton.]

"Slave labour at 25 cents an hour."

lol

My grandfather was a combat soldier fighting in france durring the same time and only made $1.50 a day. You do the math.

Internment camps were bad but they could have been a lot worse off. I woould hardly call it slave labour. Ask the people who weren't sent to work camp in the eastern soviet union around the same era, they'll tell you what slave labour is.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

I"m sure the Canadian government has already fallen all over itself
begging for forgiveness over this. Although to date I don't believe the
Japanese have ever admitted any wrong doing in their internment of
foreign nationals. And that's not even mentioning their treatment of pow's.

So yeah, I don't care.
I'm sure it's a fine highway.

Japan has nothing to do with Japanese-Canadians in internment camps. None of the Nisei were saboteurs. They just missed miso soup with the family, that's all!

IMHO there may have been a handful of the usual suspects, but they were bought off by the government. I mentioned their names already.

Canadians citizens of Japanese descent didn't bomb Pearl Harbour. As well, foreign-born Japanese aren't really Japanese, because they've lost the essence of Japanese culture during Western assimilation.

Therefore Japan apologizing is a topic to debate in the UN.

[jenai]

Originally Posted by inside

Well a jenai rant that almost makes sence. Yeah War is a bitch and What happened to Japanese Canadians was a whole lot of bullshit.

but the mention of cost of University? uh? Were all in the same boat regaurdless of heritige.

except with your spelling, maybe you missed that boat?

[jenai]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

Thanks for the Road. :)

that's one of about four road camps, with the yellowhead, the sicamous to revelstoke and schrieber in ontario.

Schrieber's about 5 hours from the nearest town with a decent McDonald's.

IMHO even Blairmore is more civilized, and it's in Crowsnest Pass Count, AB!

[jenai]

Originally Posted by Clayton.

"Slave labour at 25 cents an hour."

lol

My grandfather was a combat soldier fighting in france durring the same time and only made $1.50 a day. You do the math.

Internment camps were bad but they could have been a lot worse off. I woould hardly call it slave labour. Ask the people who weren't sent to work camp in the eastern soviet union around the same era, they'll tell you what slave labour is.

They had to pay their way in town, and most people weren't as paranoid as Canadian businessmen and politicians.

Even the white people were for the most part wondering about those politicians, and the reason for the internment, which they suspected was another cash & land grab.

IMHO the American Japanese had a better life because they had only three POW camps for dissidents with Crystal City holding Japanese dissidents who didn't sign the loyalty contract, Hispanic Japanese who were basically kidnapped from Latin and South America, and some European POWs, consisting of mainly German and Italian soldier who weren't either SS or whatever fascist goons Mussolini whipped up.

Even so, the BC government claims all the people responsible have either died off or gone senile, so they don't need to apologize.

Yet racism still lives on, and the Sikhs are now the racists while almost everyone fears if they step on Sikhs' and Muslims' toes, they'd do a mini 911 here during a parade or a prayer meeting.

However, both ethnic groups have invested so much money in BC that they own the land the colonials stole from the Indians without a proper treaty.

Hopefully the Sikhs and Muslims will play nicely with the First Nations people.

[jenai]

The only indirect mention of my father in The Exiles by Y Shimizu which sourced the OP is that Vernon apple orchards needed workers to pick apples.

That's around June to August, before the rainy season.

He probably bought a ticket to work there on the rails with scrutiny by the CPR attendants.

Paranoia had the politicians convinced Canadian citizens would sabotage the railroad. Instead, there was political infighting in the workcamps.

One guy even tried commit suicide if he couldn't go home to his parents and family. Three times.

Still proof that prison camps are a violation of human rights, including the right to remain with one's family of origin.

[Dr. Doom]

Doom fucking hates that highway, your forefathers should be ashamed.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by jenai

Slave labour at 25 cents an hour.

The government put them in a guarded prison camp at Copper Creek with the RCMP watching over them.

Contrary to popular opinion, the RCMP are not really police; they are a paramilitary force formed mainly to catch common people demonized by the rich.

During the war, they were used in lieu of soldiers, many of whom never returned from WW1 and a lot of them didn't come back from Dieppe due to the lack of any military training of one of Queen Elizabeth's relatives (Mountbatten). Ultimately this man was pretty much given other military tasks which wouldn't lead needless deaths.

During this time the Japanese executed over 17 million Chinese civilians.

Things happen in history which people regret at the time. The prime minister in 1992 gave a formal apology as well as set up an organization to promote race relations and set up a memorial.

Japan has never appologized or offered reperations to China...

Anyone still want God to save the Queen?

Still want the Japanese to play the victim during this time?

Anyway, BC Liberals in that area, and the Granby Mining people, conspired to enlist able-bodied Japanese-Canadian as slave labour, to replace men off to war to fight a war which was precipitated by American embargo on Japan.

Huh? I thought it was precipated by the Japanese occuapation of Manchuria... And just in FYI. During that time, it wasn't a BC Liberal government. It was a BC liberal/Conservative collolition government.

Internment camp for men is like corporal punishment, so the camps in Ontario violated Geneva Convention.

They would have violated the Geneva convention protocals that were added in 1953... At the time, there was no protocals for refugues within your own country or your own population.

And I'm pretty sure the Geneva convention only takes effect during wars in Foreign countries. Not your own population.

[shogun rua]

i like sushi

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Ok, the Japanese were interned in camps once the war was underway. Back then, people assumed their were Japanese spies everywhere. It wasn't a glamorous time for Vancouver or any country for that matter.
Japanese people in Canada were forced to give up their businesses and their assets were liquidated for cheap (mostly to white people) Property was seized and Japanese people were interned in work/detention camps.

Meanwhile, the Japanese were killing countless Chinese people in Nan king and raping Korean women (comfort women) The Japanese were particularly brutal and like to cut peoples heads of with swords. They also like to cut the breasts of women.

At least Canada apologized for its action and compensated those people who were subject to Canadian confinement. $21,000 doesn't seem like a lot, that's the number they got. On the other hand, did the Japanese appologize? No they didn't. In fact, the Prime ministers of Japan regularly visit shrines that worship their dominance over neighboring Asian countries in WW2.

WW2? WTF Jenai you retard! I should beat you senseless for even bringing this up you scrawny loser.

[Grapes]

Ahh the old 'Yeah but look what THEY did' defense.. pretty much justifies anything.. and 56% of of the time.. it works EVERY time.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by jenai

They had to pay their way in town, and most people weren't as paranoid as Canadian businessmen and politicians.

Even the white people were for the most part wondering about those politicians, and the reason for the internment, which they suspected was another cash & land grab.

IMHO the American Japanese had a better life because they had only three POW camps for dissidents with Crystal City holding Japanese dissidents who didn't sign the loyalty contract, Hispanic Japanese who were basically kidnapped from Latin and South America, and some European POWs, consisting of mainly German and Italian soldier who weren't either SS or whatever fascist goons Mussolini whipped up.

Even so, the BC government claims all the people responsible have either died off or gone senile, so they don't need to apologize.

Yet racism still lives on, and the Sikhs are now the racists while almost everyone fears if they step on Sikhs' and Muslims' toes, they'd do a mini 911 here during a parade or a prayer meeting.

However, both ethnic groups have invested so much money in BC that they own the land the colonials stole from the Indians without a proper treaty.

Hopefully the Sikhs and Muslims will play nicely with the First Nations people.

yo son, i think you're a bit confused with your facts, all the american japanese on the west coast were interned, the only group that was able to avoid it was the japanese on hawaii and it took a concerted effort on their part as well as the white civilians that were running the territory. infact the most decorated american combat unit in europe was the 442 which was an all japanese force mostly recruited from the hawaiian islands.

i dont even understand why im arguing with a manic depressive.

[decypher]

As said, the Japanese never apologized or acknowledged the rape of Nanjing, which was the capital at the time. If you want to talk ridiculous government then look at how Japan honors their soldiers and turns a blind eye to their atrocities. The Canadian government apologized for internment more than 20 years ago. Nice try Jenai.

Its retarded to hold a grudge against a government that did something to your ancestors. People like my father who lived in China during that time, have a reason to hate. You, little boy, don't.

[crookedking]

could have been worse. they could have been treated like these guys....

World War Two - Prisoner of War Camps in Japan

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by crookedking

could have been worse. they could have been treated like these guys....

World War Two - Prisoner of War Camps in Japan

both sides did really ugly things to each other, 70 million people died in that war i cant even fathom that.

the japanese did some really bad things to pow's but they were under the idea that all warriors should die rather then be captured. alot of japanese soldiers died in pointless suicide attacks that really had no hope of succeding

i watched letters from imo jima, when those guys basically ran into gunfire, and i couldn't believe it, so i looked it up and they actually did that shit.

the whole thing was absolutely crazy, its hard for me to think that human beings could kill each other like that, but we did.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by crookedking

could have been worse. they could have been treated like these guys....

World War Two - Prisoner of War Camps in Japan

Japan did extremely horrible things in WW2.

Look up Unit 731, if you are ever interested.

Copied from another article:

Some of the numerous atrocities committed by the commander Shiro Ishii and others under his command in Unit 731 include: vivisection of living people (including pregnant women who were impregnated by the doctors), prisoners had limbs amputated and reattached to other parts of their body, some prisoners had parts of their bodies frozen and thawed to study the resulting untreated gangrene. Humans were also used as living test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were injected with strains of diseases, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Japan did extremely horrible things in WW2.

Look up Unit 731, if you are ever interested.

Copied from another article:

Some of the numerous atrocities committed by the commander Shiro Ishii and others under his command in Unit 731 include: vivisection of living people (including pregnant women who were impregnated by the doctors), prisoners had limbs amputated and reattached to other parts of their body, some prisoners had parts of their bodies frozen and thawed to study the resulting untreated gangrene. Humans were also used as living test cases for grenades and flame throwers. Prisoners were injected with strains of diseases, disguised as vaccinations, to study their effects. To study the effects of untreated venereal diseases, male and female prisoners were deliberately infected with syphilis and gonorrhea via rape, then studied.

heh, they also dropped locust and biological warfare agents on manchuria, some really ugly shit.

im not judging anyone though, put me in that situation and i would be raping and murdering people left and right.

[.Promoter]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

heh, they also dropped locust and biological warfare agents on manchuria, some really ugly shit.

im not judging anyone though, put me in that situation and i would be raping and murdering people left and right.

Hahahah

With an ak47 and physical violence right?


PS

War sucks, stop complaining about injustices that occured 60+ years ago. Focus on the now, and what you can do today.

[NinjaBoy]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[ebbomega]

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