People who think they are so fucking cool because they listen to underground hip hop

[Lush]

K Pryde, had we met 2 years ago I'd get into an arguement with you defending underground to the death because I was just that convinced that the music was more "real."

Now that I've had the opportunity to listen to a great deal of underground artists as well as mainstream ones I've come to the conclusion that it depends on the artist. I mean there is that stereotype associated with mainstream, and if you listen to the top 40 or check out the radio they'll justify those stereotypes that much more.
I find that a lot of the artists that do get a lot of hype like to focus on more general subjects and themes, because these themes can be directed at a more broad audience. I'm not saying that there's something wrong with that but it really depends on what you as a listener are looking for in the music...
are you looking for substance, good beats, depth, or just whatever is the "in" song right now?

I personally prefer more depth in the music I listen to but I don't limit this to "underground" and "mainstream" because 2pac was mainstream and he is still to this day one of my absolute favorite artists. However, I do find that I have an easier time finding substance in what one would classify as an underground artist or track.

Artist like Aesop Rock, Buck 65, Sage Francis, Murs and Grouch have never failed to impress me with their strong lyrical content.

Anyways, fuck labels, they hardly determine anything.

[hellzbellz]

well the way i look at it...

some of the rapers have people who write song for them so its really the song writers that produce it all about how you take the song and if it means something to you

alot of songs mean something to the lyric.
if u got beat thats good also...
i like surtin music b/c it makes me move :kam:
but if you really listen it takes fold
and thats why u should listen to what make sence to you
or you could look at it how k-pryde sees things..

sounds is awsome :c-tard:

[hellzbellz]

i dunno if that made sence kinda tipsy^

[Moon]

ok there are too many things now i gotta reply to on this board that this will now have to be officially on hold for me (commercial break please )

lotta interesting things coming up and questions i wanna ask alot of you but i now have too much work to do for the next while that i'm just gonna have to let this keep going till i find some time to respond

but for now
eboy and baby dawl don't mind that post it wasnt directed to you 2. and asianavenue is all good i was on it and still check in once in a while to see how old peeps are doin but i barely know anyone on it now. its been a while since i've done any gbook and friend saving stuff but i got nuthin but love for AA =) just the guestbook deleting and upgrades made it worse and worse for me personally

harlem, lady shades, hellz bellz - sorry but your posts i'm gonna have to read another time and respond to cuz i don't wanna miss out anything.... but looks like cools things are being brought up from unique backgrounds.. i'm a lil burnt and in no frame of mind to speak of anything intelligent... :smoke1:

[Mr.Wrong]

why is justin timberlake being mentioned in a hip hop thread?

[Mr.Wrong]

Originally posted by Sykonee
Once again at the risk of turning a thread semi-serious, I'm just wondering what people would be thinking about 50 Cent had Dr. Dre and Eminem never 'discovered' him. Most likely he'd still be underground today but would people consider him shite, or be praising him?

50 was about to blow up
em n dre saw this and hopped on board no doubt pushing it along n wut not but 50 woulda still been out all tha same by now
whether he woulda had tha same success i dunno

[Mr.Wrong]

Originally posted by Grapes


That said, fact of the matter is that a lot of artists DO lose their edge when they start making a lot of coin. MCing is rapping about what you know, your environment around you... what happens when your reality is no longer the gritty streets of the ghetto but instead limos and comfy dressing rooms? What happens to the passion, the desperation that these people have, knowing that MCing might be the only shot they have of making something of themselves? Are they still hungry? Are they still passionate about their music?

This is why you gotta give huuuge props to someone like Jay Z, who's as big as they get and still puts out ill shit.

nicely said, makes sense for tha most part
as for JayZ on tha other hand some of his mroe recent stuff is still good but he went thru wut you talked about. he turned into tha mainstream rapper (money hoes bling bling etc). hell he even rapped about it.

harlemcripz you would consider royce underground?
not disagreeing, or agreeing for that matter just made me think when you said that.

[Moon]

Originally posted by LadyShades
K Pryde, had we met 2 years ago I'd get into an arguement with you defending underground to the death because I was just that convinced that the music was more "real."

Now that I've had the opportunity to listen to a great deal of underground artists as well as mainstream ones I've come to the conclusion that it depends on the artist. I mean there is that stereotype associated with mainstream, and if you listen to the top 40 or check out the radio they'll justify those stereotypes that much more.
I find that a lot of the artists that do get a lot of hype like to focus on more general subjects and themes, because these themes can be directed at a more broad audience. I'm not saying that there's something wrong with that but it really depends on what you as a listener are looking for in the music...
are you looking for substance, good beats, depth, or just whatever is the "in" song right now?

I personally prefer more depth in the music I listen to but I don't limit this to "underground" and "mainstream" because 2pac was mainstream and he is still to this day one of my absolute favorite artists. However, I do find that I have an easier time finding substance in what one would classify as an underground artist or track.

Artist like Aesop Rock, Buck 65, Sage Francis, Murs and Grouch have never failed to impress me with their strong lyrical content.

Anyways, fuck labels, they hardly determine anything.

good points. you sound fucking smart i love it.

as for what listeners look for in music is always gonna be a topic to talk about because i have a theory that nobody can possibly have the same thing they look for in music as anybody else. its what makes people more unique, more deep, more shallow its all about how deep in the ocean of music you've ventured into.

hahaha just a side note i can't help but quote a redman lyric from his muddy waters album (awesome cd) "how ugly do you have to be to be the dopest mc?" i wont bother analysing it you can all think about that quote yourselves...

i'm glad i didn't meet you 2 years ago after reading what you have said here. The conversation would not of been long anyways because i've had this argument for years on and adding another person to the oppostion would of just been a waste of time for me =) but i'm glad you have buried that ignorant aspect and ventured into what society has deemed popular and elite and have come up with a view that was obviously built from widom and willingness to explore.

i have new found respect for ya. keep it up girl

[Sykonee]

Wow! This thread's been going quite strong since its initial silliness. Dammit! I knew I shouldn't have attempted to make it semi-serious. :kam:

That being said, allow me to introduce my personal favorite MC; an individual who has somehow managed to surf the waves of mainstream success yet also keep things underground through amazing collaborations in the past.

Yes, that's right! I'm talking about none other than the funkiest of the homo-sapiens:

D.E.L. :smoke1:

[tested01]

ive listened to all of tupacs tracks, never thought it was anything all that special though.

id rather stick to atrists that have skill.

[Moon]

Originally posted by tested01
ive listened to all of tupacs tracks, never thought it was anything all that special though.

id rather stick to atrists that have skill.

alright buddy everyone respects what you gotta say.

you above all people in fact

[tufflove]

yea no doubt
we got it ^^
download some saul williams (son of shiklakk clakk) and c4

[tested01]

saul williams is sick.

im more down with like the CV empire though.busdriver.shit like that.

[tufflove]

bussdriver is hot sauce
immajinary places
cee four is the same sound though

fish n chipps fish n chipps , fish n chips and chips and chipps

[Moon]

anyone big redman fans?

his cds are so much fun and just simply DOPEASS!!!

i honestly like him on his own so much more than with meth... meth is in a different league...

[tufflove]

waay diff leauge
ones jiggy
ones wu (thats the only way to explain meth )
i love redman though for his body and that is about all
i like the sound of his voice but i dont really feel his ish.

u dont like meth ???
i cant be reading this
that "vennimin and femminin liek sandals "

[Moon]

i love meth

together theyre cool too

but redman is THA MAN by himself

meth i like solo as well.... M E T H O D MAAAAAN

and break ups to make ups with d'angelo.... never hear a track like that if redman was in the picture

[tufflove]

thats true , that is a good song

"laidy godiva, from day one a dick ridah"

[e_BoY]

Originally posted by k-pryde:



eboy and baby dawl don't mind that post it wasnt directed to you 2. and asianavenue is all good i was on it and still check in once in a while to see how old peeps are doin but i barely know anyone on it now. its been a while since i've done any gbook and friend saving stuff but i got nuthin but love for AA =) just the guestbook deleting and upgrades made it worse and worse for me personally

lol yea AA was really fun at the same time Vancouver had the "gory days" of raving. It was big and everbody was on it. Then apartment107 came along and AA started to die slow and same goes for me. The guestbook deleting and all the gay changes made it worse but i do go on once in a while just to see how old peeps are doing and that is assuming those old peeps stil go on AA often to update or what not and msot dont. First AA then Apartment and now the new thing is Friendster lol. Speaking of which yo whats ur name on AA then haha

[Harlem Cripz]

Originally posted by k-pryde
anyone big redman fans?

his cds are so much fun and just simply DOPEASS!!!

i honestly like him on his own so much more than with meth... meth is in a different league...

For sure,

When Redman is droppin off songs Like "Dirty" which sparked aguileras new image like it or not and adds a pizaz of his own to the song hes a classic

Da Rockwilder is still one of the titest tracks thats when they really shined, but from then there was some alright chemistry but there best chemistry together is when there apart for a bit (And Redman shines) pushing the chemistry back together for a solid album as long as there is some time between them dishing out songs

His album, "Malpractice" had tite songs especially the one with icarus n the cd was more solid because i Think method man barley even made a appearance to voice on any tracks only one i remeber him on is Enjoy the ride and that didnt even have jus' method n red it had Saukrates, and Streetlife)

"Blackout" featuring both the next album was pretty good but was more feelin the different Chemistry im sure you agree..

N as for readin of my post yea i cant even read over it again its pretty long :P, read it when you got time peace..

[Moon]

haha my aa name was punishaz

inspried by the fat spic rapper with amazing skillz

[Moon]

and harlem to be honest the tracks u've ventured into is another redman scene i still haven't had the chance to really get into

i've been a muddy waters and welcome to the bricks person

[Harlem Cripz]

Originally posted by k-pryde
and harlem to be honest the tracks u've ventured into is another redman scene i still haven't had the chance to really get into

i've been a muddy waters and welcome to the bricks person

Haha no worries,

Those tracks where more from his debut cd alone, it always seems the debut cds has the bangin singles to either set a steady career, or set it up for a fall because you cant top it, luckily he can n did, keep it real peace..

[e_BoY]

Originally posted by Harlem Cripz:




Da Rockwilder is still one of the titest tracks thats when they really shined, but from then there was some alright chemistry but there best chemistry together is when there apart for a bit (And Redman shines) pushing the chemistry back together for a solid album as long as there is some time between them dishing out songs

Da Rockwilder is a sick track. Only down fall is that its way too short.

[Harlem Cripz]

Yeah,

Its pretty short on CD so makes it easily enjoyable to repeat the song :) haha otherwise, on The video itself that Gap Commerical impression made up for the shortness i couldnt and still cant get enough of that :kam:

"So High, so high that i can touch the sky, so sick, so sick that you can suck my D*ck*" Stank butt jeans.. busts into the next verse shiet...