road blocks that make you late.

[mugsy]

personally, i agree with road blocks. i think its a good way my tax money is being spent.
however it is not neccessary to ask 15 minutes worth of questions.
first they drilled me on my license "whats your birthday, middle name, address" i thought this was odd considering there is no difference from my photo to how i looked tonight, unless if it was some sort of drunk\high test.
"where are you going" im on the barnett, its 2:30 am, i live in port moody....HOME.
"whos car is this" my dads.
"whats with the boxes?" he's a salesman, so its product.
"what does he sell?" he works for pepsi cola.... he sells pepsi.
"but that comes in cases" yes it does. but pepsi has merchandise just like any other big corperation.
"why do you have a handicap parking pass" a member of my family is a cancer patient.
"what was your buisness tonight?" i was at my boyfriends house.
"where does he live?" BURNABY.
(by this point, im getting a little bit angry, im already late and they are making me later, there were more insignificant questions and answers as well)
"had anything to drink?" NO
"is your n displayed?" yes
"ok well then i guess we are done here"
and off i drive, 15 minutes late. SUPER.
and it wasnt like casual talk, the entire time it was like an interogation. i can get that they most likely deal with alot of shitty people, but really, this wasnt neccessary, and im not a terrible awful person who was rude to them, i was polite, until the 10-12 minute mark.
oi.

[Bitchin]

Doesn't it suck beinga raver... we get hasseled for everything!

[neoh]

god, tell me about it.
I get dinged for everything, too.
godamn cops.

[stringbeans]

thats fucking stupid

[omega_image]

lol ive learned how to deal with cops, if you give them an ounce of patience and respect in the first statement you make their in your hands......

i was pulled over in feb with 3 passengers all drunk (i myself should not have been driving) my front passenger was throwing up as all of this was going down. after 2 inconclusive breathalizers and "the line" and them checking my license to see that it was supposed to be suspended (i was supposed to have handed it in like a month prior)

they let me off with a 24 hr temporary license.

[wigglesworth]

Meghan's a RAVER!!!

[mugsy]

hey... no im not. :smash: (the mondo-est of all wet willies.)

i only rave for one dj. so i'm not a raver. i carry records.

you're a raver. ravey mcraverson.

p.s. :229:

[djmarkpaul]

Vancouver Police State.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by mugsy

personally, i agree with road blocks. i think its a good way my tax money is being spent.
however it is not neccessary to ask 15 minutes worth of questions.
first they drilled me on my license "whats your birthday, middle name, address" i thought this was odd considering there is no difference from my photo to how i looked tonight, unless if it was some sort of drunk\high test.
"where are you going" im on the barnett, its 2:30 am, i live in port moody....HOME.
"whos car is this" my dads.
"whats with the boxes?" he's a salesman, so its product.
"what does he sell?" he works for pepsi cola.... he sells pepsi.
"but that comes in cases" yes it does. but pepsi has merchandise just like any other big corperation.
"why do you have a handicap parking pass" a member of my family is a cancer patient.
"what was your buisness tonight?" i was at my boyfriends house.
"where does he live?" BURNABY.
(by this point, im getting a little bit angry, im already late and they are making me later, there were more insignificant questions and answers as well)
"had anything to drink?" NO
"is your n displayed?" yes
"ok well then i guess we are done here"
and off i drive, 15 minutes late. SUPER.
and it wasnt like casual talk, the entire time it was like an interogation. i can get that they most likely deal with alot of shitty people, but really, this wasnt neccessary, and im not a terrible awful person who was rude to them, i was polite, until the 10-12 minute mark.
oi.

cops are trained to talk like that so can get you to indight yourself.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by mugsy

hey... no im not. :smash: (the mondo-est of all wet willies.)

i only rave for one dj. so i'm not a raver. i carry records.

you're a raver. ravey mcraverson.

p.s. :229:

oh thats so sweet

[hardstylin]

how bout road blocks that get you busted with a half pound of personal on you!!!

[mugsy]

^ see thats why they do road blocks. and i agree with them for that reason.

Originally Posted by SEAN!

oh thats so sweet

i know, im the sweetest.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by mugsy

^ see thats why they do road blocks. and i agree with them for that reason.

Because we all need our very own gestapo imposing what we can and can't do with our own bodies. You know, it's too bad they didn't arrest you. When government prohibits the use of any substance, all that creates is an underground drug monopoly via the black market and/or epidemics like we have in the east side. Just look at what happened to the alcohol prohibition (1920-33).

The "noble experiment"--was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. The results of that experiment clearly indicate that it was a miserable failure on all counts. The evidence affirms sound economic theory, which predicts that prohibition of mutually beneficial exchanges is doomed to failure. Which leads us to the war on drugs, and it's funny how history repeats itself. The difference now is that alcohol happens to be a great intellectual passifier, where as pot, lsd, psilocybin mushrooms, and a whole load more of controlled substances (if used under a properly controlled enviornment) have entheogenic and medical benefits, something alcohol doesn't offer. Don't be so quick to judge hunny.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/openletter...g-letter.shtml

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i fucking hate that

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Because we all need our very own gestapo imposing what we can and can't do with our own bodies. You know, it's too bad they didn't arrest you. When government prohibits the use of any substance, all that creates is an underground drug monopoly via the black market and/or epidemics like we have in the east side. Just look at what happened to the alcohol prohibition (1920-33).

The "noble experiment"--was undertaken to reduce crime and corruption, solve social problems, reduce the tax burden created by prisons and poorhouses, and improve health and hygiene in America. The results of that experiment clearly indicate that it was a miserable failure on all counts. The evidence affirms sound economic theory, which predicts that prohibition of mutually beneficial exchanges is doomed to failure. Which leads us to the war on drugs, and it's funny how history repeats itself. The difference now is that alcohol happens to be a great intellectual passifier, where as pot, lsd, psilocybin mushrooms, and a whole load more of controlled substances (if used under a properly controlled enviornment) have entheogenic and medical benefits, something alcohol doesn't offer. Don't be so quick to judge hunny.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/openletter...g-letter.shtml

excuse me hunny,
ever have a friend get caught up in the wrong drug? ever had a friend crash their car due to being under the influence of simple weed? yes, i've seen medicinal mary jane put to work, however they gave it to my family member in the form of a pill, he choose that over the actual weed.
dont think i am uneducated, obviously you are. WE LIVE IN CANADA. yes we have some bad ass cops out there, HOWEVER we do not have gustapo. nor do we have any gorrilla warfare. be thankful for the laws you have to protect you. people get addicted to morphine, i had a neighbour that did, doctor refused to prescribe anymore, he turned to illegal substance, which ended in a police stand off next door where he held a gun to his granddaughters head.
humans are not perfect, we can not control addiction. talk to any post addict. ask them how easy it was to quit their "controlable substance"
hunny, you should be arrested for a comment like that. if we cant control how much nicotine the public smokes, how are we going to control weed consumption? the legalization of it will be the cause of much MUCH irresponsable driving incidents, ect. we already have plenty of drunk drivers, we dont need an abundance of high ones too.

[galaxie]

^ Don't even worry about it. We all know markpaul is a FUCKING TOOL, and for that exact reason he's on my ignore list (only person on it, too!).

As for the point of this post, I had the same thing happen to me a couple of years ago. They even went as far as to ask me if my shoes were the ones with the zippers in the tongue. I was so frustrated, ugh. Some people become cops to make a difference, others because they like to have authority and control. LAME.

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

Don't be so quick to judge hunny.

you can make a perfectly convincing argument without having to resort to being degrading or condescending

[ebbomega]

I've never spent more than 3 minutes at a roadblock.

As for the police slandering, for crying out loud. Is there anything these people can do that doesn't get people pissed off at them? They go lax on stuff, people get pissed off nothing's being enforced. They try their darnedest, they're met with "Fucking pigs, making me late for.. Remind me what exactly it was you were late for?

Krikkes. Some people just need to know how to deal with cops.

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I've never spent more than 3 minutes at a roadblock.

As for the police slandering, for crying out loud. Is there anything these people can do that doesn't get people pissed off at them? They go lax on stuff, people get pissed off nothing's being enforced. They try their darnedest, they're met with "Fucking pigs, making me late for.. Remind me what exactly it was you were late for?

Krikkes. Some people just need to know how to deal with cops.

it was 2:30, i was late coming home. i was tired, and i was already in my pj's. that was my gripe. it was because i didnt look like i was up to no good, if i looked like i was, like i was coming home from a club or bar, then i wouldnt have said two shits about all the questions. i just thought some of their questions were redundant. thats all.

and in my first post i said i agree with road blocks, and that i realize they deal with shitty people, but when someone isnt being rude and is answering all the questions with no problem, i didnt see why they had to persist in interrogating me.

i stand my ground, i think our police system rocks, it has its holes, but every system has its holes. road blocks have done plenty of great things for this city. and i didnt call them fucking pigs.

[galaxie]

Originally Posted by Jingles

you can make a perfectly convincing argument without having to resort to being degrading or condescending

Maryah, that should read:
"one can make a perfectly convincing argument without having to resort to being degrading or condescending."

'Cause most people can, but markpaul can't.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by mugsy

excuse me hunny,
ever have a friend get caught up in the wrong drug? ever had a friend crash their car due to being under the influence of simple weed? yes, i've seen medicinal mary jane put to work, however they gave it to my family member in the form of a pill, he choose that over the actual weed.

Yes, and policing each other over these kinds of problems/health decisions is exactly what makes people isolated to go run a muck in back allyways and underneath bridges, it's what creates drug epidemics like we have in the east side of Vancouver. Drug counselling and rehabilitation programs have been proven time and time again to be more successful in a decriminalized enviornment. Take the safe injection sites for example. Now granted people that are running a black market and burning down your local grocery store should be arrested and dealt by with the proper authorities, but it's not always that simple. It's not uncommon that corrupt cops also have there hands in on this trade. So you see, legalizing marijuana has only not happened because monopolizing that industry would be nearly impossible. Everyone already grows. The government makes more money this way already and that is why it is the way that it is. Marijuana is however a really great pacifier so I wouldn't be surprised if one day it happened to become legalized one day.

and if you doubt that the drug trade isn't also control by corrupt police forces you should check out Micheal C Rupperts:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/

He used to be an LAPD drug investagator and was forced to quite after he was shot at while he was revealing that the CIA was confescating "evidence"
and guns were going one way, and drugs another.

Originally Posted by mugsy

dont think i am uneducated, obviously you are. WE LIVE IN CANADA. yes we have some bad ass cops out there, HOWEVER we do not have gustapo. nor do we have any gorrilla warfare. be thankful for the laws you have to protect you. people get addicted to morphine, i had a neighbour that did, doctor refused to prescribe anymore, he turned to illegal substance, which ended in a police stand off next door where he held a gun to his granddaughters head.
humans are not perfect, we can not control addiction. talk to any post addict. ask them how easy it was to quit their "controlable substance"
hunny, you should be arrested for a comment like that. if we cant control how much nicotine the public smokes, how are we going to control weed consumption? the legalization of it will be the cause of much MUCH irresponsable driving incidents, ect. we already have plenty of drunk drivers, we dont need an abundance of high ones too.

Attacking my character rather than my arguement, it says alot about how educated you are, I don't have to think anything about you. Now I want to get this point across more than anything, so if I offended you earlier on in this speil, I humbly take any comments back. I'm just really concerned with how you are trying to deal these problems. You saying I'm uneducated doesn't pan out because for the past 3 years I've been specifically educating myself on the drug trade and other things the government doesn't want us to know about.

Yes we live in Canada! Well need I remind you this became a country only because of civil disobedience? Saying that I should be arrested for having/saying certain thoughts/comments is reminiscent of a 1984 Orwellian thought police. I hope you are begining to see how massively conditioned we have to be to accept this kind of behavior from our police, at one point we called them peace officers. This is one of the reasons this society is so fucked up, the very behaviour of institutionalizing each other like bad data sectors rather than meeting each other as people, not labeled as an "addict" or "wackjob".

I hope you realize that this problem won't ever be solved by policing each other on set norms of what is acceptable behavior (and it should go without saying that like in your neighbor's incident there may be no other way); but rather moreover with the integrity of a truly compassionate human being.

Peace.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by galaxie

Maryah, that should read:
"one can make a perfectly convincing argument without having to resort to being degrading or condescending."

'Cause most people can, but markpaul can't.

You know, I agree with Jingles, I was upset when I wrote that and I don't hold back what I think about, I just say it how I think it. Thanks for making this conversation a specaticle of my bad habits rather than staying on topic to the original thread. If I get a little emotional and say some things that could be considered crude, well sorry, I'm human I make mistakes. By the way when you attack my character rather than my arguement you are commiting what is called a "ad hominem" and it's really frowned upon in true debates, it's considered a fallacy.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...d-hominem.html

[mugsy]

dude, you were the one who kinda went a little off topic, i defended myself and my beliefes just like you have.
i realize that we have problems in our policing, i really do. i have seen\experienced some of these problems, and i have stated my rights to the bad police men\lady. even with my bad experiences i still think they do a great job.
heck i even agree with safe houses, but i think its the gov't that needs the smack, not the po-po.
and remember even though alcohol is legal, there still is a big problem of alcoholics, drunk driving, ect.
in a utopia, legalized drug use could happen and could be wonderful. but unfortunately we are all human, and we all make mistakes and have addictions and so on.
i think this debate would go in circles.