Michael Moore and his new movie

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by rawb

hot chix too please.

they're INSIDE the muffins.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

He would NOT have been able to put out a film like that, having it not based on truths and solid facts; because as I said before, it is NOT a compliment to the American Government or the people. As outrageous as it seems, there has to be fact behind what he is saying.

i never said that it wasn't based on facts, but he has twisted and manipulated facts to suit his own needs. made bigger connections where there were only small ones before and such.

[~god~]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

Moore, in my opinion is bringing out different theories that no Americans would have thought of because they put so much faith blindly into the Bush admin.

that is a little too general. not all americans support the bush admin - but that is too obvious.
Keep in mind.. that more than 50% of the Americans did not vote for Bush ;)

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

how does that him any better than them? if he's using the same tactics as the opposing team then how does that make him more credible or believable than the bush administration?

if he's saying: they're twisting facts and not telling you the whole truth. BAD BAD!

and then goes and attacks them by twisting the facts and not telling the whole truth....then...why should i believe him either?

Who said he was bettter then them?
All we want to say - is good on him for presenting something other then the fragments that are usually presented

And then you can take those, and you can take the ones by CNN
and maybe you want to find out more
the people that take this film at total face value are the same ones that take the newspapers for face value

When (and you said this yourself) people get all up in the Michael Moore bashing, they come off as total war/bush supporters - when that doesn't have to be the case
but i ask - if there was no one like Moore presenting their biased perspective to counter the political biased perspective, then what do we have? We have only the Bush administrtion preaching to the masses (and by masses i mean the people who take media as fact)
So while you may not like his methods, or his approach - we can still applaud the attempt because it's getting SOMETHING DIFFERENT out there

and we are finally living in an era where this is beginning to be acceptable
and whether you like the film or not
I think it's refreshing ot see this kind of thing out there
Moore is not just saying 'they twist the facts - they are bad' he is making you aware that facts can be twisted and by saying that alone - would you not also question the 'facts' he presents? So you shouldn't believe him, or bush, or me - that's the whole point :)

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

they're INSIDE the muffins.

OMG...it's so simple - they're INSIDE the computer....
(woo-hoo Zoolander!)

[*KeLLnEsS*]

Originally Posted by Jingles

Moore is not just saying 'they twist the facts - they are bad' he is making you aware that facts can be twisted and by saying that alone - would you not also question the 'facts' he presents? So you shouldn't believe him, or bush, or me - that's the whole point :)

Totally agree with you on that.

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by ~god~

that is a little too general. not all americans support the bush admin - but that is too obvious.
Keep in mind.. that more than 50% of the Americans did not vote for Bush ;)

But they did follow him blindly into Iraq and still had over a 65% approval rating. His supprt does not come from the majority, it comes from the wealthy and powerful.

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by Jingles

Who said he was bettter then them?
All we want to say - is good on him for presenting something other then the fragments that are usually presented

And then you can take those, and you can take the ones by CNN
and maybe you want to find out more
the people that take this film at total face value are the same ones that take the newspapers for face value

When (and you said this yourself) people get all up in the Michael Moore bashing, they come off as total war/bush supporters - when that doesn't have to be the case
but i ask - if there was no one like Moore presenting their biased perspective to counter the political biased perspective, then what do we have? We have only the Bush administrtion preaching to the masses (and by masses i mean the people who take media as fact)
So while you may not like his methods, or his approach - we can still applaud the attempt because it's getting SOMETHING DIFFERENT out there

and we are finally living in an era where this is beginning to be acceptable
and whether you like the film or not
I think it's refreshing ot see this kind of thing out there
Moore is not just saying 'they twist the facts - they are bad' he is making you aware that facts can be twisted and by saying that alone - would you not also question the 'facts' he presents? So you shouldn't believe him, or bush, or me - that's the whole point :)

Amen.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Jingles

Moore is not just saying 'they twist the facts - they are bad' he is making you aware that facts can be twisted and by saying that alone - would you not also question the 'facts' he presents? So you shouldn't believe him, or bush, or me - that's the whole point :)

i sincerely doubt that the 'whole point' of michael moore's movie is to show you that facts can be twisted and that no one should believe what anyone has to say on anything to do with that subject.

maybe i used the wrong word when i said 'better'. i meant that by using the same tactics as the gov't to get thier points across, moore loses credibility. it's like spanking a child to teach them not to hit other kids. it just doesn't amke sense when you think about it.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Jingles

OMG...it's so simple - they're INSIDE the computer....
(woo-hoo Zoolander!)

haha! this movie is being shown so much on tv lately and i love it...they must have just gotten the rights to show it.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Spoon

But they did follow him blindly into Iraq and still had over a 65% approval rating. His supprt does not come from the majority, it comes from the wealthy and powerful.

agreed. and it makes me sick.

money and it's influence have become bigger than democracy and justice and being fair. that's going to be our downfall.

[Silverwinged]

I never knew ravers to be so strong minded!

What happened to the quiet gentle creatures we are supposed to be!?!?!

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

I never knew ravers to be so strong minded!

What happened to the quiet gentle creatures we are supposed to be!?!?!

haha. i was always strong minded and you know, debating things is fun. some people can't separate debating from the personal, but if you can do that, you can have really great discussions with friends about subjects like these.

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

agreed. and it makes me sick.

money and it's influence have become bigger than democracy and justice and being fair. that's going to be our downfall.

We live in a giant corporation -
and you're right, i think it might well be our downfall

Atwood, Orwell, Huxley, Vonnegut and many more have had such similar views of what the downfall of us will be - it's hard not to see that ball rolling already

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Jingles

We live in a giant corporation -
and you're right, i think it might well be our downfall

Atwood, Orwell, Huxley, Vonnegut and many more have had such similar views of what the downfall of us will be - it's hard not to see that ball rolling already

it's funny when people read 1984 and then go around saying "phew, thank god we dont' live in a world like that"

and i'm thinking to myself it's not that far off...

[rawb]

Originally Posted by Jingles

We live in a giant corporation -
and you're right, i think it might well be our downfall

Atwood, Orwell, Huxley, Vonnegut and many more have had such similar views of what the downfall of us will be - it's hard not to see that ball rolling already

LOL ATWOOD BYE

[Spoon]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

I never knew ravers to be so strong minded!

What happened to the quiet gentle creatures we are supposed to be!?!?!

Who knew that ravers read chomsky or watched documentries?

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

haha. i was always strong minded and you know, debating things is fun. some people can't separate debating from the personal, but if you can do that, you can have really great discussions with friends about subjects like these.

Again, amen. I'm going to agree to disagree and not get all fired up because of this.

YES in the long run, whatever the states does is going to fuck us over.
YES we are going to have to deal with it sooner than later.

We should stand together as Canadians, because we will need to, instead of growing divided over opinions on some stupid movie.

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by rawb

LOL ATWOOD BYE

YOU WILL BE THE FIRST HANDMAID

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by Silverwinged

We should stand together as Canadians, because we will need to, instead of growing divided over opinions on some stupid movie.

whoa...whos' growing divided? i really really like jingles for having this discussion with me.

what makes this country so great is that we can have these discussions and that people DO have different views on subjects. i don't hate jingles because she doesn't share the same view as me. i respect her because she is able to defend her view and we can talk about it. that's how people educate eachother, but having these discussions.

and i think this is the one really good reason for this movie. it is going to cause a lot of debate and people are going to learn more and more about this subject because of it.

am i wrong on this one?

[*KeLLnEsS*]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

it's funny when people read 1984 and then go around saying "phew, thank god we dont' live in a world like that"

and i'm thinking to myself it's not that far off...

Im thinking we should all start speaking newspeak

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by *KeLLnEsS*

Im thinking we should all start speaking newspeak

haha, funny enough, i made a post about how we're starting our own form of newspeak with these internet acronyms and slang:

http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=52664

[mugsy]

personally i find it hard sometimes to read\watch anything by michael moore. and in a way thats effective for me. yes he makes me think, but hes so freakin bias that it hurts. in columbine he made canada seem so bloody safe, we dont lock our doors, we dont have "ghettos". hey mike, come to vancouver. just in the past little while how much death has happened due to violence in our happy little province? its sad, really really sad.
props to us for not joining the supposed "war on terrorism" but i think if canada had been attacked in the way that the us was, there would be a couple more canadian soldiers on the front.
and we are just as much of a money hungry, consuming monster as the states, we just sweep up our tracks better.

anywho, i still want to see 9\11. i like it when literature\movies make me angry\envoke thoughts. makes me want to read up more, and know more.

is it worth the money to see in theatre?


and on a side note to do a little defense for the americans - alot of them do think freely and have opinions similar to our own, there are plenty of activists in the US, thousands upon thousands of citizens who do not want this war to proceed. not all americans elected bush, alot of them dont want him in office. think back to the election.....

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by mugsy

is it worth the money to see in theatre?

worth money to see in the theatre? yeah, i think so. especially if you don't want to feel left out because many other people will have seen it and are going to be talking about it.

[Hot Karl]

you're upset at moore's tactics.

and comparing them to the bush administrations 'tactics'

you are kidding right?