Da Kine gets busted.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Uhh. Pls stop debating who is right and wrong. The facts are that marijuana is a plant. Da kine is selling plant parts to people who choose to smoke them. The police have decided that these plant parts being sold should be illegal because they impair the user. Why should the police have the right to stop Da kine? The law? It looks to me that commercial drives society is overwhelmingly in favour of allowing this store to operate. Therefore, since the law is written for the people and by the people, shouldn't local people decide if they beleive marijuana to be legal or illegal. I am sure that a store like this would do poorly in Mission BC. Do you see where I'm headed.
Their are so many more importanat issues in the world, I am ashamed at Vancouvers media dwelling so much on the BC bud factor.

heroin comes from the poppys, also a plant, also smokable, does that make it ok for someone to sell heroin over the counter?
government makes laws, not the police. and the police's job is to ENFORCE, not interpret the law.
once again, the government makes the laws, not 'the people'
the police have the right to stop da kine because they are breaking the law. what don't you understand? are you fucking stupid or something?

[P.A.R.T.Y]

I am not brainwashed into beleiving that Marijuana is anything like Heroin. The government is made up of people elected by the people. The government makes the law, but essentialy the law is obeyed by the people who elect the politicians. I won't judge you like you judged me, but I will say your attitude needs adjusting.

[Hot Karl]

what the hell are you babbling about?
i was just using the heroin as an example. i'm all for legalization, but how does selling marijuana for personal profit help to get it legalized? explain that?

so because da kine says they are trying to expand marijuana rights then it must be true! it's not like they have a motive to stay around. oh yea, the stacks of illegal money they are making. maybe if they were donating a percentage of their profits to norml or something like that. but i doubt that, or else we would have heard of it now.

you change laws by going through government, not breaking them as you please and profiting through them as you please.

as stated by rawb is this thread, how does it make da kine any different than any random dealer in the city? so by selling marijuana you are automatically 'helping' the cause? sounds like bullshit to me.

btw: you just judged me in your last post. i never judged you, i just asked if you are fucking stupid.

[cheebus420]

Originally Posted by rawb

hi the store is against the law.
the police enforce the law.

i don't see the argument.

Rawb I'd expect better from you. If you weren't knowledgable , abortion, medical marijuana, and even being gay was once agains't the law. It was people standing up against a law which was clearly unjust ( and here you're talking about making a plant which has yet to kill a single human from overdose, in the same drug category as cocaine ) then the people rise against it.

Now Vancouver is trying to emulate the "dutch" experiment. In amsterdamn, where marijuana is openly sold in Cafe's ( under the guideline that it never be hard drugs, never to people under 18 ) the drug use amongst kids-teens is almost half of that of the United States, where the war on drugs enforces the strictest laws.

De Kind ( and you can quote this from people interviewed around the community ) was doing wonders for taking money out of the pockets of the drug dealers, and putting marijuana seperate from everything else. With it closed kids are forced to go to the streets where they're offered everything from heroine to crack along with a doobie. In dekind there was a sense of responsible patrionage.

[cheebus420]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

i'm all for legalization, but how does selling marijuana for personal profit help to get it legalized?

In Amsterdamn, the government never passed a "let's sell weed in cafe's" law. The people simply started experimenting with it, and when it produced great results, the town allowed for a de-facto state where you could openly sell cannabis under certain guidelines. This spread throughout the community with great success and turned into the Holland we know today.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by cheebus420

Rawb I'd expect better from you. If you weren't knowledgable , abortion, medical marijuana, and even being gay was once agains't the law. It was people standing up against a law which was clearly unjust ( and here you're talking about making a plant which has yet to kill a single human from overdose, in the same drug category as cocaine ) then the people rise against it.

Now Vancouver is trying to emulate the "dutch" experiment. In amsterdamn, where marijuana is openly sold in Cafe's ( under the guideline that it never be hard drugs, never to people under 18 ) the drug use amongst kids-teens is almost half of that of the United States, where the war on drugs enforces the strictest laws.

De Kind ( and you can quote this from people interviewed around the community ) was doing wonders for taking money out of the pockets of the drug dealers, and putting marijuana seperate from everything else. With it closed kids are forced to go to the streets where they're offered everything from heroine to crack along with a doobie. In dekind there was a sense of responsible patrionage.

taking money outta the pockets of drug dealers? they were drug dealers, thats why they were arrested.

if this didnt get so much media attention the cops wouldnt have done anything.

fuck pot and amsterdam, people take their drugs too seriously.

p.s the thing that really bothers me is that people get so upset at the police, when mother fuckers shouldve been a little bit more discreet and this wouldve never happened.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

You wouldn't be judging me if you asked me if I thought you were fucking stupid. I stand by what I say and I feel that a lot of ppl feel the same way too.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Uhh. Pls stop debating who is right and wrong. The facts are that marijuana is a plant. Da kine is selling plant parts to people who choose to smoke them. The police have decided that these plant parts being sold should be illegal because they impair the user. Why should the police have the right to stop Da kine? The law? It looks to me that commercial drives society is overwhelmingly in favour of allowing this store to operate. Therefore, since the law is written for the people and by the people, shouldn't local people decide if they beleive marijuana to be legal or illegal. I am sure that a store like this would do poorly in Mission BC. Do you see where I'm headed.
Their are so many more importanat issues in the world, I am ashamed at Vancouvers media dwelling so much on the BC bud factor.

this is the most completely weakly thought out bullshit i have ever read. congrats.

[Grapes]

Lol, you beat me to it.

Pls stop debating who is right and wrong.

You make that really hard to do when you follow it up with 18 different wrong things.

what the hell are you babbling about?

Nuff said.

Rawb, I didn't pick up as much on anti police sentiment in this thread as you did. I agree that such feelings are misdirected, though I probably would have yelled at the cops as well if I was there. You know, for giggles.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Originally Posted by rawb:
hi the store is against the law.
the police enforce the law.

i don't see the argument.

Ok buddy, just let the government keep controlling us , we wouldn't want to think for ourselves. Otherwise the arguement was simple, the law is old and needs to be changed. Marijuana is harmless, Marijuana hasn't killed anyone and marijuana was put here on earth for our use. Cocain and Heroin destroy and kill people. Enough said, hahah..

[Grapes]

The saga continues...

[Hot Karl]

i just wanna add this:

so if da kine is trying to 'amsterdam' vancouver, by doing as they did in holland way back when, that's fine, i'm all for that. but doesn't anyone think it's kinda bullshit?

i mean if they opened up, originally 4 months ago and said 'HEY VANCOUVER, WE SELL WEED HERE, COME BUY IT HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE LAW' i mean get on the news when they first opened, not after they got busted.

then i'd believe them. but right after they get publicity, and raided, all of a sudden they are the face of marijuana rights.

they got 70k in cash, 9.5kilos of pot, 450g of hash. vpd estimates 30k per day in sales.

until they start donating some of this money to some marijuana based charities, or maybe helping out people who have lame charges of marijuana possession then i'd give a fuck. but when you make 210k a week, that's fucking criminal enterprise.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...14/TPNational/
that's where i got my numbers.

[Atlantis77]

im not much a pot smoker, and i dont know how pot effects the vancouver subcultures, but from what i read, i do understand where the resentment towards the police comes from. Karl you make a valid point, with the numbers you obtained . . . to be honnest it does make them look like crooks. But giving them the benifit of the doubt, and assuming they are trying to improve vancouver, and move it into a new direction, it isnt fair that the cops come and RAID the place, arrest the workers and still have the place reopened the next day. Meanwhile they have crak heads, shooting up shit, sniffing up shit and our community provides them with safe injection sites. So i guess the resentment comes from the fact that we have safe injection sites for addicts who are a possible threat to our community, while we cant even smoke a joint in peace or at least have a place where we can smoke it in peace.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Atlantis77

im not much a pot smoker, and i dont know how pot effects the vancouver subcultures, but from what i read, i do understand where the resentment towards the police comes from. Karl you make a valid point, with the numbers you obtained . . . to be honnest it does make them look like crooks. But giving them the benifit of the doubt, and assuming they are trying to improve vancouver, and move it into a new direction, it isnt fair that the cops come and RATE the place, arrest the workers and still have the place reopened the next day. Meanwhile they have crak heads, shooting up shit, sniffing up shit and our community provides them with safe injection sites. So i guess the resentment comes from the fact that we have safe injection sites for addicts who are a possible threat to our community, while we cant even smoke a joint in peace or at least have a place where we can smoke it in peace.

we do have lots of places to smoke weed in peace..but to buy it is a different story.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

RAID not RATE rrrr........English motherfucker English!

[Grapes]

until they start donating some of this money to some marijuana based charities, or maybe helping out people who have lame charges of marijuana possession then i'd give a fuck. but when you make 210k a week, that's fuking criminal enterprise.

It's a criminal enterprise regardless of whether or not they do those things! .. In the eyes of the law, anyways.

You raise a good point questioning Da Kine's intent when they first started out. I'm sure they store's owners WOULD argue that they should be allowed to do this (in fact I think they already have when questioned by the media), but they certainly didn't go out of their way to advertise what they were doing to the authorities.

That said, they had to know word was going to get back to the cops and politicians. Therefore I'm guessing these aren't just a bunch of randoms who took this direction purely for profit.. why would you sell a product and adopt a business plan that's so obviously going to get your business in trouble in the immediate future? And why would you keep doing it after, in a strictly business sense, you've hit a wall of illegitimacy?

Who would have thought?.. two supposed polar opposites, business/economics and protest/weed culture merged in one store. Da Kine = weirdness.

[Courtney]

I just think there's other IMPORTANT issues out there that cops should be focusing on....Yes ,it was illegal and since these people broke the law of course they deserved to get busted but the government needs to get there priorities straight..

[Grapes]

Classic response of anyone who's broken the law..

"You're giving me a speeding ticket?? Don't you have real crimes somewhere to be dealing with!?"

I think Da Kine has better grounds than that to argue from.