people who think they know more then you

[mugsy]

about something that you are indeed very passionate and knowlegable on.
so buddy at work thinks he knows more about art then me, thinks he can show me up, and believes that because im a painter, i dont know anything about modern art production or its variables.
what the fuck.
i just had a 45 minute debate about it.
buddy, i know art, i live art, sometimes i fucking eat art. i sleep with my sketchbook at night so if i have an idea i can put it in right away. i research not only what is mandatory but what is not. ive been studying art for 4 years on my own, doing basic reasearch and viewing. ive been in school now for it for 2 years....... holy fuck.
im so pissed off right now, i had to leave before i fucking hit him.

[Clayton.]

That happen's to me also, sometimes even on this board. It's annoying.

[wum]

so what do you think of this Post Modern stuff?

i liked it more when people were actually making works that celebrated something (victory in battle, religious, etc.) as opposed to stand alone toilets or white canvases that have no allusive elements whatsoever, but are merely 'aesthetic'.

[mugsy]

my personal opinion of post modern is that the artistic community on a whole in north america is on\in a slump. pop over to europe and they are making some pretty bold shit.
with the (i guess you could say) industrialization of art - making it a trade rather then simply art - kinda demoralized it. people want money = people making paintings that they think others will want = alot of the same shit pouring out. but there are the few artists who do stand out, and still paint with the same passion as goya and david.
also its hard to make "new" art. so many discoveries have already been found and made within it that its seems ideas are running out. the reason why things like duchamps ready-mades and rothkos big ass color paintings were so amazing was because no one had done it\thought of it. and at their times, they were revolutionary.

[hardstylin]

hahaha try owning a sporting goods store where EVERY single dude who comes in is a fucking expert on everything that is hunting fishing and camping, the worst is when they yap about prices and use the old "well im pretty sure i seen that somehwere else for cheaper" OH YA or when the talk about calibers and balistics to me and i know all of them inside and out, but they are the ones buying shit so i have just nod my head. DRIVES ME INSANE.

[Grapes]

Please stop eating all the art.

[miSsy_chriSsy]

Originally Posted by mugsy

my personal opinion of post modern is that the artistic community on a whole in north america is on\in a slump. pop over to europe and they are making some pretty bold shit.
with the (i guess you could say) industrialization of art - making it a trade rather then simply art - kinda demoralized it. people want money = people making paintings that they think others will want = alot of the same shit pouring out. but there are the few artists who do stand out, and still paint with the same passion as goya and david.
also its hard to make "new" art. so many discoveries have already been found and made within it that its seems ideas are running out. the reason why things like duchamps ready-mades and rothkos big ass color paintings were so amazing was because no one had done it\thought of it. and at their times, they were revolutionary.

Do you think the incorporation of computers into art has really dulled alot of art? Graphic Art seems to be the new fad...
Just curious because I attended A.I. Vancouver for 6 months, and it's supposedly an art school... my schooling was composed of these new fancy graphic design courses, I feel it dulled the overall feel of my work. They called it art class, but it wasn't creative to me. What do you think? From your experiences at art school?

[wum]

Originally Posted by mugsy

my personal opinion of post modern is that the artistic community on a whole in north america is on\in a slump. pop over to europe and they are making some pretty bold shit.
with the (i guess you could say) industrialization of art - making it a trade rather then simply art - kinda demoralized it. people want money = people making paintings that they think others will want = alot of the same shit pouring out. but there are the few artists who do stand out, and still paint with the same passion as goya and david.
also its hard to make "new" art. so many discoveries have already been found and made within it that its seems ideas are running out. the reason why things like duchamps ready-mades and rothkos big ass color paintings were so amazing was because no one had done it\thought of it. and at their times, they were revolutionary.

well my point was a bit different. Personally i find the new stuff pretty incomprehensible. I mean shouldn't Art at least try to "depict" something, as opposed to just being aesthetic? it would certainly bring a connection to the viewer.

i saw the statue of David in person, and it really provokes a reaction in you. I just don't get that with paint splatter. I mean, what's the story behind it?

i'm just a layman when it comes to this stuff, but it would seem things like Michaelangelo's David, "Night Watch", The Book of Kells, etc. were really made to last. Of course they were inspired by greater things. wouldn't it be nice if they brought back that tradition instead of people pulling something out of their asses willy nilly and calling it Art?

[ty_guy]

i see alot of the same art but the people to look out for are the odd ones cause they'll paint with a new view/persepctive and those are the artists that i love. like someone said the paintings around here aren't very "thought provoking" but if you go over to europe they have some more bold paintings. i'm a car nut and i've had some people try to argue with me about some pretty stupid stuff and i almost feel like popping the hood shoving their head under to show them the part and then close the hood while they are still leaning over it. i know the feeling mugsy.

ps- watch out for some happy karma mugsy=)

[*Geminiz*]

Know-it-alls are usually the insecure ones - they constantly feel the need to out-smart everyone and proove how great they are. They eventually are put in their place I think. ONCE in a while you come across a know-it-all who really does know it all (or atleast a lot!).

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by wum

well my point was a bit different. Personally i find the new stuff pretty incomprehensible. I mean shouldn't Art at least try to "depict" something, as opposed to just being aesthetic? it would certainly bring a connection to the viewer.

i saw the statue of David in person, and it really provokes a reaction in you. I just don't get that with paint splatter. I mean, what's the story behind it?

i'm just a layman when it comes to this stuff, but it would seem things like Michaelangelo's David, "Night Watch", The Book of Kells, etc. were really made to last. Of course they were inspired by greater things. wouldn't it be nice if they brought back that tradition instead of people pulling something out of their asses willy nilly and calling it Art?

One thing I've always loved about really studying classic works of art is that art from a time period can tell history in a more understandable, more human way than it would be just typed out in a textbook (the same could be applied to literature, too).

The thing is, postmodern art is all ABOUT rejecting what people think is or is not art. The fact that someone looks at something like paint splatters and wants to know why or what it means is just really fuel to the movement- the idea is to throw away those kinds of conceptions on art- that art produced MUST have meaning or a message. It's really a spawn of modernism which was basically a bunch of artists after the Victorian era saying 'heeeey, we really hate that you're telling us what art ought to be and what it ought to mean!' (oscar wilde was really into the 'art for art's sake' thing)

Anyways, the idea is not to worry that you DON'T always understand because you don't always NEED to. Andy Warhol always hated how people would always ask him about what his works meant and what he was trying to say, with him it wasn't about all the campbell's soup cans, it's the artist that GETS the idea to put up all those soup cans and call it art.

[miss.myra]

wheeee haaaaoooo that was a bit of a rant

To respond to the initial topic here, Mugsy my dear, anybody who thinks they can really go and try to insult a fellow artist about their knowledge and understanding clearly is facing some creative issues that they feel they need to bring down on other people. That's really really sad.

If someone tried to challenge me for 45 minutes on something I was very passionate about, that would also turn VERY ugly...

[COMATOS3]

^^^^^^^^^id Fuckin Smash Him

[wikid]

Honestly, art is one of those debates that are solely determined by each persons views and how that person was brought up.

Sort've a lot like poetry - moreorless, whose to say what is and what isnt poetry, or what is good and what is bad poetry - its all in user preference.

But I hate getting into long debates that i know are pointless (unless there fun debates) but debats that I truley believe in (like writting or art or comps) and someone flat out tells me Im wrong, and I know full out Im right - ooohhh I cant stand it when that happens.

[LeeBrat]

^^ i agree , art is a "personal preferance" sorta thing, but still it's soo annoying when people try to tell you something that is obviously pointless/wrong or try to shove their way of looking at things down your throat...grr

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by miSsy_chriSsy

Do you think the incorporation of computers into art has really dulled alot of art? Graphic Art seems to be the new fad...
Just curious because I attended A.I. Vancouver for 6 months, and it's supposedly an art school... my schooling was composed of these new fancy graphic design courses, I feel it dulled the overall feel of my work. They called it art class, but it wasn't creative to me. What do you think? From your experiences at art school?

im pretty biased when it comes to graphics\using a computer to create them. i make graphic images all the time, but i draw them with pen and paper. but thats the kin of artist i am, i guess you could say classical? i like to say im tactile.
so basically my biased opinion is that yes, it takes alot of the soul out of the work because the artist wasnt physically touching and manipulating the surface. but i do realize how bias this comment is, alot of amazing work does come out of a computer, i just personally find work done by hand to be more interesting, have more depth, and i find them much more attractive.

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

wheeee haaaaoooo that was a bit of a rant

To respond to the initial topic here, Mugsy my dear, anybody who thinks they can really go and try to insult a fellow artist about their knowledge and understanding clearly is facing some creative issues that they feel they need to bring down on other people. That's really really sad.

If someone tried to challenge me for 45 minutes on something I was very passionate about, that would also turn VERY ugly...

and he wasnt even a fellow artist. he's a science student.

[mugsy]

Originally Posted by wum

well my point was a bit different. Personally i find the new stuff pretty incomprehensible. I mean shouldn't Art at least try to "depict" something, as opposed to just being aesthetic? it would certainly bring a connection to the viewer.

i saw the statue of David in person, and it really provokes a reaction in you. I just don't get that with paint splatter. I mean, what's the story behind it?

i'm just a layman when it comes to this stuff, but it would seem things like Michaelangelo's David, "Night Watch", The Book of Kells, etc. were really made to last. Of course they were inspired by greater things. wouldn't it be nice if they brought back that tradition instead of people pulling something out of their asses willy nilly and calling it Art?

ehhhhhhh, look up some 19th century art, and trust me it gets boring after the first 10 pages of paintings. you kinda talking about going back into a salon system where all the rich guys would pick the paintings that best suited there views, always had an attactive naked lady, and some how made them feel more righteous.
i completely get what your saying though, my mom says the same thing day in and day out to me, "meghan why dont you go back to painting realism like you used to. i really like that painting you did of your baby picture, and i really liked... blah blah blah" and i can understand. its art that she can relate to, its what makes her comfertable. and i think its rad that shes found a type of art to relate to, even if its not mine.
theres plenty of hyper-realist still out there painting epic scenes, you just have to look a little harder for their shows. my buddy at school is a hyper-realist painter.
to embelish onto myras comment, art isnt really about having everyone understand your peice. i was in a critique once that was supposed to be 10 minutes and ended up being an hour and half because i was defending my work. thats part of the battle of being an artist, the un-acceptance. (this is not to cross out what i said before - tons of artists do art to appease the public to make money)

anyways, im still pissed off at buddy. he had no right.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by mugsy

and he wasnt even a fellow artist. he's a science student.

Well! In that case he can fuck right off!

[galaxie]

Ugh, people like that drive me nuts.

My most recent example, although not neaaaaaaarly as extreme:

I have this one customer at Fabutan, he is new, so I go to show him how to use the bed, and try to explain that there is a two-minute delay on the bed, so it will automatically start in 2 minutes if he is not in. I was about to tell him that if he needs more time, he can pause the bed by hitting the stop button, and hit start again when he is ready. However, he cut me off and said "Yeah yeah yeah, I've done this for ten years! I know how to work the bed!" OK fine buddy.

So two minutes goes by, and he starts yelling at me (from in his room, I have 4 customers standing in the reception area) to pause his bed. So I yell back "I have no control from the front, you'll have to hit stop!" But buddy KEEPS telling me to pause it.

ARRRRRRRRRGH @#$#%

So, in conclusion, people are idiots.

[Mr.Sinister]

*Geminiz* under Mr.Sinister's account...

I have an employee like that. She NEVER stops saying "ya ya ya" when I'm explaining something to her, then when it comes down to doing the work she does everything wrong!! Soooooo frustrating!!

[Only_Glory]

the only thing im knowledgable about is the art of stealing hearts :(

[mojo]

i doubt you will ever escape people like that.
it too bad that they need to number !, even though their attempt makes them a 0.


that^ sounds fucking cheesy, but im gonna leave it there anyways cus i dont give a fuck.

[Antenna_Boy]

Originally Posted by mugsy

about something that you are indeed very passionate and knowlegable on.
so buddy at work thinks he knows more about art then me, thinks he can show me up, and believes that because im a painter, i dont know anything about modern art production or its variables.
what the fuck.
i just had a 45 minute debate about it.
buddy, i know art, i live art, sometimes i fucking eat art. i sleep with my sketchbook at night so if i have an idea i can put it in right away. i research not only what is mandatory but what is not. ive been studying art for 4 years on my own, doing basic reasearch and viewing. ive been in school now for it for 2 years....... holy fuck.
im so pissed off right now, i had to leave before i fucking hit him.

Dude, art is an endless talent. Everyone has different views. That is why there are some artists that have real fucked up ideas and THEY claim that their belief is the correct one. However, if you show your belief through your art, and gain respect and hopefully money for it, I'd say your opinion is very valid and there is not point in arguing with anybody about it. So as long as you hold your own brush, THEN use it. :)

[Custard]

The people who think they know it all, really annoy the people that do.