Ignorant Fools

[optimum sound]

So Im sitting there reading a grade 5 level newspaper and I suddenly bump into this colorful letter to the editor written by a Mr O'Neill. In it he speaks of immigrants that dont know or can't speak proper english or any for the matter. He implies that Canada's goverment is interested in what money immigrants can bring and what kind of work (if you can even call it that) they can perform. He goes on to suggest that Canada should have requirements such as speaking basic English before being allowed in the country. I believe I have seen something similar, I believe that the governor of California, Mr Terminator was trying to pass laws to eject all illegals from Cali.
What my point here is that these attacks are made by people who at one point were immigrants themselves, who are they to judge? On top of things, asking someone to speak english before entering the country only leads to more ridiculous requirement/laws. What's next? get a proper accent followed by lose your culture and adapt a strict canadian diet? I feel its my obligation to write to this paper and put my foot down and speak for those who probably dont even know they're being attacked.
Mr. O'Neill, sounds awfully Irish to me...how about you?

[Two_Six]

I dunno but if you are comming to a country like Canada now a days, it be a good thing to learn some basic english before you come here. I took the time and effort to learn basic english when I came to Canada from Italy. It shouldn't be a law or anything, but the immigrants should put a little bit of an effort to learn the language, it will benefit them and make their lives alot easier.

[optimum sound]

Agreed, but if you read the letter, this guy contardicts himself and like I said, who is he to judge. "What tribe do you belong to O'Neill?"

Originally Posted by Two_Six

I dunno but if you are comming to a country like Canada now a days, it be a good thing to learn some basic english before you come here. I took the time and effort to learn basic english when I came to Canada from Italy. It shouldn't be a law or anything, but the immigrants should put a little bit of an effort to learn the language, it will benefit them and make their lives alot easier.

[ebbomega]

'a multicultural country within a bilingual framework'
- from our constitution.

fuck all ye racist fucks who can't decypher an accent.

[Edoe]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

'a multicultural country within a bilingual framework'
- from our constitution.

fuck all ye racist fucks who can't decypher an accent.

i agree, i've met some pretty hardworking 'immigrants' who deserve a good job just as much as the next canadian.
i remember one of my old english teachers telling me a story about a time that they had a debate in the class about immigrants/economy/etc. one kid went on a complete rant about how immigrants take all the good jobs and leave good canadians without jobs and how they abuse welfare? when one of the quiest eastern girls piped up in the class after he was done. she told them about how their family escaped from afganistan, they made their way on foot from the center of the country to the border traveling by night and hiding during the day dodging soldier patrols etc to get out. after they applied for refugee status and were accepted. her parents each have two jobs and are trying to get their kids through school. if you ask me anyone who will take that kind of initiative in order to benifite themselves and their family deserves the opportunity. not saying that every foreigner is like that, just trying to raise awareness that everyones got their story and i think any arguement bashing foreigners is rediculous. why deny the whole batch because of a couple of bad apples?

[fable]

He implies that Canada's goverment is interested in what money immigrants can bring and what kind of work (if you can even call it that) they can perform.

Its true. The Canadian government does care about immigrants with substantial capital to invest.

They also care about a sizeable immigrant work force, but only after throroughly being taught not to speak out, not to "rock the boat" and to be a good little immigrants, and work the menial jobs that many others would blanch at.

And if immigrants still feel the need to speak out against an (not so) underground landscape that sees massive exploitation and manipulation, then theres always direct deportation, or security certificates.

[fable]

one kid went on a complete rant about how immigrants take all the good jobs and leave good canadians without jobs and how they abuse welfare?

This illusion or representation of a racist belief system did not end up in the civilian population entirely on its own.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Two_Six

I dunno but if you are comming to a country like Canada now a days, it be a good thing to learn some basic english before you come here. I took the time and effort to learn basic english when I came to Canada from Italy. It shouldn't be a law or anything, but the immigrants should put a little bit of an effort to learn the language, it will benefit them and make their lives alot easier.

But then they can't say 'I don't noooo a nothing' when trying to rip you off at your local corner store.

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by optimum sound

Agreed, but if you read the letter, this guy contardicts himself and like I said, who is he to judge. "What tribe do you belong to O'Neill?"

what's does it matter what his last name is? he can obviously communicate in english pretty well, considering he wrote an article in it for the paper.

[optimum sound]

What does it matter? someone who is not first nations was an immigrant too sometime. He has probably been here so long he has forgotten his roots.

Originally Posted by gusto

what's does it matter what his last name is? he can obviously communicate in english pretty well, considering he wrote an article in it for the paper.

[Gusto]

but he's talking about language, not heritage.

[optimum sound]

Exactly, because he has been here for a couple generations he feels he has a right to make such remarks. If you have any more comments refer to thread title or post #3.

Originally Posted by gusto

but he's talking about language, not heritage.

[optimum sound]

Then again, fnk this isn't the best place to raise awareness. All I'm saying is that if you're not first nations then stfu. You were never ment to be here just like me, so it isn't right for someone to forget who they are and then go judge others. Everyone has a right to be here. Oh I have light skin too, does that make me canadian? It's a piece of paper that gets you more benefits and protects you from imperialist capitalists like O'Neill. Look at the big picture.

btw, this wasnt for you Gusto but thanks for pointing out heritage. Good point.

[Gusto]

i don't know, seems like you're reading more into his words than he wrote. all he seems to be saying to me is that people should be able speak english, in a predominantly english speaking country (we're bilingual though, i figure if someone spoke french and no english, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on). he doesn't seem to be against immigration; a country like canada could not be what it is without it. he's just for a basic english language requirement for immigrants.

whether or not you or i agree with that doesn't make him foolish and i don't think it's all that outrageous. should government offices or public departments be required to have staff that speak every language to facilitate people that can't communicate the way the rest of the country does?

[optimum sound]

Maybe you're right, but making it a requirement seems a bit unfair that's all.
In some cases people have more important things to worry abouth than learning english, like for say cheating death on a daily basis, that's all.

Originally Posted by gusto

i don't know, seems like you're reading more into his words than he wrote. all he seems to be saying to me is that people should be able speak english, in a predominantly english speaking country (we're bilingual though, i figure if someone spoke french and no english, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on). he doesn't seem to be against immigration; a country like canada could not be what it is without it. he's just for a basic english language requirement for immigrants.

whether or not you or i agree with that doesn't make him foolish and i don't think it's all that outrageous. should government offices or public departments be required to have staff that speak every language to facilitate people that can't communicate the way the rest of the country does?

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by gusto

people should be able speak english, in a predominantly english speaking country

yup..

[optimum sound]

No contest, but before they enter the country too? that is what this is about.
It is really easy for all of you that have been lucky enough to be born here to point fingers isn't it?

Originally Posted by PaIniNyErAnUs

yup..

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by optimum sound

No contest, but before they enter the country too? that is what this is about.
It is really easy for all of you that have been lucky enough to be born here to point fingers isn't it?

my brother teached esl..i think that if a immagrant has entered canada..that he/she should go to school right off the bat to learn english(if they havent before entering)..yes they do work hard..but they have less privlages because of not knowing how to speak english..for that they take a smaller wage and the shitter jobs..but..i dont think that thats what they should all do..knowing english will put them on a path to social equality..i dont want to have to take 5 minutes out of my day to teach someone what i want them to do..when i can just tell them..labour jobs have a abundance of immagrants that work under the table for minimum wage..so why would the owner of lets say a landscaping company want to pay a english speaking person 5 dollars more a hour when he can just pay someone to get treated like shit and do the hard work?..cuz they cant speak english to bitch back at em..they dont understand english they dont understand the way canada works..ive seen it like a million timesits not fair to them to not know english..they get mistreated

[optimum sound]

you're such a pain in my anus, haha.

Originally Posted by PaIniNyErAnUs

my brother teached esl..i think that if a immagrant has entered canada..that he/she should go to school right off the bat to learn english(if they havent before entering)..yes they do work hard..but they have less privlages because of not knowing how to speak english..for that they take a smaller wage and the shitter jobs..but..i dont think that thats what they should all do..knowing english will put them on a path to social equality..i dont want to have to take 5 minutes out of my day to teach someone what i want them to do..when i can just tell them..labour jobs have a abundance of immagrants that work under the table for minimum wage..so why would the owner of lets say a landscaping company want to pay a english speaking person 5 dollars more a hour when he can just pay someone to get treated like shit and do the hard work?..cuz they cant speak english to bitch back at em..they dont understand english they dont understand the way canada works..ive seen it like a million timesits not fair to them to not know english..they get mistreated

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by optimum sound

you're such a pain in my anus, haha.

thats what im here for:)