is tiesto a god?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by r a m a z e

producers make music^ hence being musicians. doesnt matter how its made as long as its music.

Then by your logic a DJ is a musician.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that this is not so. Performance artist, yes.

Remember that 90% of the beats, hooks and loops you hear have been sampled from somewhere else.

[dj_soo]

i press play on my CD player at house parties. Does that make me a musician too?

[DefJef]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i press play on my CD player at house parties. Does that make me a musician too?

^
depends if you put flave into it when you hit play lol

[mekim]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i press play on my CD player at house parties. Does that make me a musician too?

only because you do it with such style.

EDIT: DAMN YOU.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Séguin

I'm basing my opinion on. Electronic "musicians" are nothing but sequence programmers. Yes they have musical ideas in their head. But they're just producers. Technicians.

i can see what you mean, but alot of edm producers and technicians were musicians (played instruments) before they started producing with sequencers. And in many cases they still incorporate all their musical talents into their records.

I have no doubt in my mind that there are musical geniuses in the edm scene.
They aren't making trance records tho....
I'm talking guys like Amon Tobin, Bonobo, Aphex Twin, Kid Koala etc.

[dj_soo]

i press play then strike the jesus christ pose - is that too passe nowadays?

[r a m a z e]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Then by your logic a DJ is a musician.

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that this is not so. Performance artist, yes.

Remember that 90% of the beats, hooks and loops you hear have been sampled from somewhere else.

well yes, but i never said dj i said producer, unless the dj is a turntablelist.

[mekim]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

i press play then strike the jesus christ pose - is that too passe nowadays?

if you play some exotic arab techno music while striking a jesus christ pose, you might be able to pull that off.

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Wow. So not only are you a pud but you're a trance cracker too?

Go Listen to a real DJ

turntablist you mean?

i'd give out the fact the tiesto is damn good, he's deffinietly not a god. A god to me would be using 4+ decks and spinning trance.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by ppcock

turntablist you mean?

i'd give out the fact the tiesto is damn good, he's deffinietly not a god. A god to me would be using 4+ decks and spinning trance.

have you seen any of those guys play live? With the exception of maybe Q who is generally all about scratch demos, these "turntablists" can mix, rock a party, and keep a crowd dancing on top of all the technical scratching.

These guys are what "dj's" should be... not some dude who plays a track, busts out the jesus christ pose for 5 minutes and then beatmatches another track that's pretty much in the exact same tempo and genre as the previous one (give or take +/- 8% pitch).

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by ppcock

turntablist you mean?

And a turntablist isn't a DJ?

And I'm still on the arguability of turntablists being musicians. You're still using someone else's music.

Exception that proves the rule: the turntablist that works with Herbaliser. The guy has some of the best pitch control I've ever heard, so much so that he actually plays NOTES on the turntables, and keeps himself in tune with the rest of the band. He doesn't do beat juggling, or matching, or anything like that. The guy is 100% a single-record scratch DJ, but he's the closest thing I've ever seen to a musician in a DJ.

Again, Performance artist yes. Musician no.

[ebbomega]

HE'S SO SKILLED HE DOESN'T EVEN NEED TO BE BEHIND THE TABLES TO DJ!

[Veni*C]

tiesto is good.. in a superstar dj kind of way..... but sasha is a dj god.

end of story.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

And a turntablist isn't a DJ?

And I'm still on the arguability of turntablists being musicians. You're still using someone else's music.

Exception that proves the rule: the turntablist that works with Herbaliser. The guy has some of the best pitch control I've ever heard, so much so that he actually plays NOTES on the turntables, and keeps himself in tune with the rest of the band. He doesn't do beat juggling, or matching, or anything like that. The guy is 100% a single-record scratch DJ, but he's the closest thing I've ever seen to a musician in a DJ.

Again, Performance artist yes. Musician no.

Kid Koala in some of his routines adds layers to a song he's playing and adjusts the pitch control to match the key of the song playing - essentially adding his own accompaniment to the tune.

I think a pure scratch-dj is closer to playing a real instrument than a mix-dj in that there are accepted techniques that are learned and specific scratches that would basically be party of your "repetoire" which will help in improv (i.e. learning all the notes on an instrument so you can play exactly what you want, when you want in a jazz jam session for instance). There's even notation for scratches now. Learning how to scratch is 10x harder than mixing records imo and a lot closer to learning something like the drums or something.

[mekim]

come watch mat the alien throw down and create new songs out of old and then tell me that he's not a musician.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Exception that proves the rule: the turntablist that works with Herbaliser.

you mean Ollie Teeba? he's a damn fine DJ all around, great at scratching, mixing, juggling, party rocking...

i think it's safe to say that just being a DJ doesn't make you a musician... but it seems kind of idiotic to be splitting hairs between people who write original pieces on a computer, or if they play it on an instrument... by that argument is a composer who writes in classical notation not a musician? it's really a pointless argument, i doubt anyone who's successfully producing original music really cares if some orchestra snobs don't consider them 'real musicians'.

oh yeah, and... tiesto is garbage. get a life.

[tiedye]

Tiesto is like Jessica Simpson, except he can apparently count to four.

Turntablists create music therefore they are musicians.

Mix-DJ's are performers, as Ebbo said.

The fact that Ramaze has the Animals cover for an avatar blows me away.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by tiedye

Tiesto is like Jessica Simpson, except he can apparently count to four.

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what? she has way nicer tits than tiesto dude

[White><Light]

Originally Posted by Gunter S

this video would confirm it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgIGYLJcdw

was that his opening track?

very poor in my opinion.. intro was too long..far too repetative and it didn't really build up to anything spectacluar to get the crowd going

i definately wouldn't call him a god or anything close to it

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by Wood

oh yeah, and... tiesto is garbage. get a life.

I wouldnt go saying he's garbage.
He's good at what he does, whatever that is.
His productions are decent.

You just call him garbage cause he produces/spins a genre you dont like. There's no possible way you can not respect what he does even in the smallest form.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

what? she has way nicer tits than tiesto dude

I actually meant Ashley, on account of the whole lipsync-ing fiasco. My bad.

[r a m a z e]

Originally Posted by tiedye

The fact that Ramaze has the Animals cover for an avatar blows me away.

lol what its a good album :power-p:

[QUITEFRANKLY]

tell me this isnt a musician, look at the pitch control
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzNNBzoEEhw

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by r a m a z e

lol what its a good album :power-p:

holy shit i just noticed that... ya dude. it's easily one of the best Pink Floyd albums.

WHY IS THE TIESTO GUY ROCKIN THE ANIMALS AVATAR?!?!?!?!
has the whole world gone MAD?

[QUITEFRANKLY]

or what about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcXmhrS3BM