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Jul 17, 02
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whats next for the rave scene?
We all have to admit... hard house and nu nrg was HUGE when it was the main thing here in Vancouver. Back when it was big, we had 5-6 parties every weekend with big UK hardhouse headliners all the time. Every single party had huge crowds of hardcore hardhouse fans it was crazy! The Vancouver rave scene was seriously jumping with big turnouts and awesome vibes.
But the minute people started to get sick of the hardhouse sound, parties started to get more bitter, less people turned up to shows, all the hundreds of hard house djs here in vancouver pretty much vanished or changed their style of djing.... the scene became depressing. promoters started to back out from promoting to move onto something else, everyone was agreeing that the scene was dead. So lately over the past year and a half i'd say..... breaks, drumnbass, disco house, happy hardcore... theyve all been attempted to match the hype of hard house but theyve all been unsuccessful so far. So whats next for us? I really think theres going to be a HUGE boom in the rave scene soon but i just dont know whats going to happen to create that boom. is it going to be another hyped up music genre? is it going to be the new upcoming djs who're going to make the music in this town alot better than it is now? will a rich promoter come in and blows hundreds or thousands of dollars to save the rave scene? (note benson and hedges and du maurier are competing to hype the club scene here in Vancouver and the club scene here is just bumpin!) what do all you FnK'ers think? Judging from all the people i've sort of talked to on this board... it doesnt seem like many of you have been around in the scene when hard house was the main thing... so whats your view on the scene presently? are you happy with the music you're hearing? do u think you are having fun everytime you goto a party? but mainly.... what do you think is going to make the scene BOOM? I wanna hear serious intelligent opinions only please... 
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Jul 17, 02
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Re: whats next for the rave scene?
Disco House.
maybe drum and bass, but i doubt dnb will ever be mainstream. but disco or really funky house might do the trick..look at the mainstream success of daft punk and other funky house producers..it will only take one smart promoter to rwealise the potential of this, especially in a city like vancouver with a large gay population, and a club scene that is almost dominated by house music. they could easily attract these crowds to their parties. look at imix3, or dreamone's raves. thatll be the future, they just need better promotion and some more investment.. heh i remember when hardhouse was big, i wasn't in the scene then. it wasn't the music, it was the people, all those old party kids burnt out from doing too many drugs, plus it just became too expensive for promoters to throught parties, as a result ticket prices went up, and alot of people stoped partying. hardhouse can only really be enjoyed when your high as fuck anyway, in my opinion atleast :).
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Jul 17, 02
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musically.. i dont know what kind of genre.. seems like anything with a big beat hits it off well..
disco and funky house perhaps.. but i couldnt the plaza main room filled with people goin off to it.. its whatever the people with the $$$ want to see that will get big.. i agree with sean.. everything became more expensive ticket prices went up... plus most people have turned into clubbers.. maybe we're just at the end.. or the beginning of a new beginning with a new age of kids that will find their own style.. blah im rambling.. i think the scene will "boom" again if it retreats back underground.. and if it goes mainstream again.. itll be huge...
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Jul 17, 02
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speaking of dreamone prod., anyone know what happened to them?
john 2899131
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Jul 17, 02
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What type of music genre? Well, thats a tough one to call.
But in terms of raves, I think raves won't ever be as big as it was. Too many youngin's, and the youngin's that are goin into the scene are few. And the ravers who have been doin in for a year are getting bored and most likely turning 19. The media has also made the rave scene so scary that people are afraid to try it. What will be big? Clubs. People will always cherish the age of 19. Why? Clubbin! There are so many hip-hop nights that its sickening. Friday and Saturday the hyped clubs in terms of amount of people are usualy hip-hop playing clubs. Promoters like Gold Club Series and club nights like Lime are getting world-wide electronica Dj's to perform at clubs. In time, electronica nights will rival hip-hop nights. I'm waiting for multi-staged club that plays both hip-hop and some kind of electronica. Those are pretty popular in TO, San Fran, LA and NY. Will that happen? Only Vancouverites can decide that. ~Tim
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Jul 17, 02
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Back a couple years ago when the scene was hitting hard was when raves were becoming the in thing to do.. It was fresh for a lot of people and it was a new world and territory that was a new discovery for them.. In that they bring their friends, crew, family, whatever just cause it was a cool new source of entertainment.
But after over 10-20 parties I got real bored with them... They were all the same too me. And I think that most people went through this cycle back when it was the new trend. They got bored with it and now theyve moved on. Ill admit, I loved Hard house too when i first started to go to parties cause thats what I "RAVE" rave music was... When listened to other beats like breaks & DNB, I hated it cause it wasnt the regular type rave music I was acustomed to. Hard House and Trance were what I thought were the real type of rave music so anything else was shit in my eyes. I was a full out hard house/ trance listener until I opened up my ears 4-5 months later Anyways.. I think raves had its time, not because it was hard house that brought everyone in, but because it was the thing to do way back when. I dont think anything will bring in people like what used to come because to most people its like a "been there, done that" type thing. Now lots think "Raves are played out" I think the rave parties are going to be all underground for the most part and stay underground.. There will always be the big party here and there that people will attend too but never will it reach what it did like 2 years ago. My 2 cents
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Jul 17, 02
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Music and people gathering is an ancient tradition. Whatever label you want to put on it... it has always happened. So whether or not "rave" gathering's will ever be big in Van City again is hard to say. I think a likely possibility is that something else will come along from the underground and get big. As for the scene being dead I don't really agree. I think that it is just growing up and moving to the clubs. Look for the club scene in Van City to take off big time over the next while.
The funny thing is that by the time the next thing comes up from the underground we might all be freaking out and going omg that is so dangerous!! The same way our parents generation reacted to the rave scene.
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Jul 17, 02
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I personally only went to parties to hear dope music on a big sound system and dance. Even though the people at the parties were really nice and social people, my mind was always solely focussed on the music. When i started partying, I got into it loving trance. I remember then, all sorts of music was being promoted, but trance was the big thing. Then half a year later, Kultcha came along with this new sound of hard house nu nrg. HE BECAME HUGE!! I'd look at flyers and Kultcha was ALWAYS booked. It was cool to watch him because of the slamming bass and the seriously badass hoovers. But then suddenly, every single fucking dj in vancouver became a nu nrg dj. Every party was a hard house nu nrg party.... EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE!! To be hoenst i fuckin LOVED hard house when i first heard it, but hearing all hard house for a month at every party i went to, i started to get so sick of it i wanted to die.
I think having another big genre like hard house is gonna bring a temporary hype but thats it. What vancouver needs is to hype up EVERY genre and educate the listeners about all types of music at every rave. Sean mentioned imix. i was there at that party and by the time Bad Boy Bill was done and Angel Alanis came on (if that was angel alanis) i had enough of house. it was aLLL house!! ALL house!!! Now if there are promoters reading this lemme ask... have you tried mixing up the music on the main stage? And if you have what were the results?
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Jul 17, 02
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I have to agree with dj_precise when he says "Hard House and Trance were what I thought were the real type of rave music." Hard House is what catches everbody at their first rave. Its real loud Bass that hits your ear at like what.....2-3 beats per second that everyone gets addicted to at first. I thought Hard House was rave music, and didn't really know anything els except trance. Aslo like dj_precise said I never got in to breaks until 7 months after my first rave. Now I like breaks and dnb better than anything els........especially breaks. Break and DnB beats, as well as House but not Hard House, are more chillaxin and give me more time to step properly and better to the beat. Hard House made me bounce back and forth repeatedly doing the same shit.
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Jul 17, 02
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Call me a cynic (cuz, hey, I am)...but I don't think any "new big thing" is around the corner to "rescue" the rave scene...its changed, evolved, devolved and morphed into what it is now. Which, in my opinion, is something who's time (or prime, if you will) has come and gone, if you consider what existed a few years ago its prime. Just like 60s, disco, punk, new-wave, grunge, et al had their place in the sun, so has "rave music".
That doesn't mean that good music won't continue getting made and played, or that parties will die out. Rather, it'll become tougher and tougher to find good shows to go to, both small and large. I remember being a goth, dyed black hair, wearing all black, the works, and never having a problem finding a club that played alternative/industrial/british/etc on any night of the week here. Slowly, slowly, though, the nights became less and less and soon some of the clubs just vanished into the ether. What was once tough but possible to find took hold with the masses, mushroomed and exploded, and then imploded upon itself, so that now its tough to find those kind of nights anywhere, even the places that first spawned them. The same thing will happen with "rave" music. Yeah, its got a lot of varients, but in the end its all some form of electronica. Just like "alternative" used to encompass so much, now its a genre unto itself that every artist tries to fall under that has drained its original meaning of any value whatsoever. And what it was, is now dead. And what it now is, is not what it was. I think the next "big thing" will be something different, something that isn't a varient of what has come before it. Something that the wee youths of today, the kids that are still having wet dreams about Brittney Spears before they even know what wet dreams are, the kids that are dreaming about having Justin Timberlake as their boyfriend, something that will catch hold of their excitement and imagination. Death-metal country perhaps? Who knows? But I think "raves", as they were, as we like to think of them, are moving to the dance clubs, to be appreciated by all until they are spat out like so much chewing tobacco by a public with less love for what they likel than for what others tell them they should like. And leaving behind a small, but loyal, group of followers who lament about how it used to be, even though some of them weren't even born when "the good ol' days existed". At which point "death metal country", or whatever it is, will start to move into the mainstream... ...and the cycle begins again... cyberdog (really, I'm not this bad in real life...)
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Jul 17, 02
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This is a great post... A lot of you make some extremely good points.
Working for Twisted has allowed to not only understand the business aspect of parties but also the "scene" in its entirey. We all have to step back and look at the BIGGER picture. "Rave parties" have changed/evolved out of direct result of our local government here. They have applied new laws, permits, applications and legislation specifically related to these kinds of events. It is these things that have forced promoters to raise prices, change the format of events and make it more commercialized IE: having to pay for policing, tons of security, etc. Gone is the day when you can commondere a warehouse, throw up some lighting, grab some decks and speakers and throw a kick ass party. Our scene, the electronica scene, is changing specifically to mirror what we can/can't do as it is determined by the government. --- This is specifically why underground parties are becoming more prominent and why clubs are being turned to as an alternate means of entertainment. -- Clubs are the "legal" way to throw an event. I totally support the points Nolan Sr. and dj4mula made on that. Recent legisltation has passed (again our government determining how/when/where we party) allowing clubs to stay open to 4AM. Clubs are currently in the process of applying for this license which will take time. This kind of thing is already being done in Toronto, Montreal, etc... and FINALLY our city is catching on here. Nightlife as it once was is dying, the rave scene in general... This is the battle that the long time promoters like Salim, Azim, ET Bros, etc. continually play with the city. It's funny that the City doesn't want these events to go on yet welcome the revenues it brings and the jobs that it creates. In answer the original post, the club scene will be eventually where things get to. This is the way it is in the UK and out East where the scenes are happening. I welcome the new investors and business entrepreneurs that choose to create large/multi-level clubs as we don't have that kind of venue here. That's my two bits. Peace.
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Jul 17, 02
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^ I agree with everything you said Kraig but you havent answered my main question. I was talking about music. I know theres a huge business side to "Rave" promotion but putting the business and politics aside, what about music? You say you work for twisted right? so what is Twisted's approach to music?
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Jul 17, 02
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Martin, your question to Twisted of what would happen if hardhouse or nu-nrg wasn't played on the main stage.
What would happen? Sean and I were talking about this at Tim's BBQ. If a jungle headliner was here @ the plaza, the promoter would probaly lose money. Club nights! Come on Kraig. Get Azim to open up a multistaged club. I gurantee people will go, cuz Vancouver is in desperate need of a 5 Star club. There really isn't a club that is the place to be.
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Jul 17, 02
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Jul 17, 02
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house will eventually rule all
I dont see breaks, dnb going down anytime soon Trance is basically dead here... techno, acid techno is not too popular here anymore and a small amount of people like GOA Whats next?? Who knows.
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Jul 18, 02
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a vibey club to get your fix
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Jul 18, 02
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What sonik said.
House is comming. HOUSE IS COMMING. Watch out for tribal, it will make an appearance soon. Who would have thought tribal could make it?
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Jul 18, 02
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musically, the one genre that has blown up over the past year throughout europe and on the east coast (primarily nyc and montreal) is ELECTRO, and all its subgenres (mainly electroclash). it was born (or reborn) mainly as a result of DJ Hell and his imprint, International DeeJay Gigilos .. it's the chique, fashionable genre that all the cutting edge idiots are eating up right now. felix da housecat, tiga, zyntherius, miss kittin and the hacker .. i personally don't like the stuff and think it's rehashed 80s shite, but give it a year or so and i'm sure people here will be eating it up too. it's being marketed and bred as the next wave of electronic music .. but like all trends i'm sure it will die soon enough. the foundation for this whole scene is house and i think that will remain for years to come .. i also think that brokenbeats (not breakbeats, not necessarily jungle either) will continue to evolve and continue to grow creatively .. that's what's so nice about them. there's room for evolution within it .. i don't think house has the same potential to evolve, but for whatever reason it doesn't seem like it has to .. its 4x4 steadiness is solid enough to stand the test of time .. we just need to keep coming up with more and more trippy, fucked up sounds to keep it interesting.
2sense p.s. tribal has made it .. just not here
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Jul 18, 02
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currently to sell a massive all you need is a big hard house dj, and a big breaks dj.
this formula has been used time and time again for plaza parties. until kids kill thier pavlovian response for shit like this, the big rave scene isn't evolving.
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Jul 18, 02
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EVERYTHING should be promoted!
Vancouver should have french house djs show their shit, we should have techno djs, tribal, trance, drumnbass, breaks, EVERYTHING!! this city is too limited in terms of music. we gotta make the scene more interesting with fuckin wack loads of different sounds! ohhh man the scene would be SO much more fun cuz you would have no idea what you're gonna be experiencing at the party! werd
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Jul 18, 02
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Jul 18, 02
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capital j on the mainstage at phantasia. one of the most promoted and anticipated parties of that year, also a big success im forgetting many others, but the point being is that promotors wouldn't lose money if they had jungle headliners on the mainstage. its too bad that most promotors dont do it. john 2899131
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Jul 18, 02
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Untill the permit proccess to get a club liscence is loosened up don't expect anything cutting edge from Van City night clubs. To open a night club in Seattle all you need is the money, it takes 6 months till you can start construction. In Vancouver you can't even get a liscence to open a new club. So this results in no competition between clubs.
For example if club ______ (don't want to pick on any one) was a total dump (like to many clubs in our city) and a really nice club with a great sound system open up next door with the same type of music the nasty club would go out of buisness. Or to attract people they would have to renovate. So untill there is a bit of competition as far as the clubs go...
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