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Feb 27, 03
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I'm A Dj I Play Other Peoples Music....
...so i dont deserve recogntion or respect.
That has to be one of the dumbest things anyone in the scene can ever say, EVEN DUMBER to say something like that if you're a promoter trying to get people out to your parties. Seriously people, would you pay big money to goto a rave or a club just to HANG OUT (excluding guest list)? i mean wouldn't the price of the event reflect on how much talent is performing? To have people talk shit about DJ's when we have a DANCE SCENE that depends on DJ's to make the party run smoothly doesnt make any fuckin sense to me. it pisses me off to hear these so called elite old skool dumbasses who've done too many drugs and have killed their brains to a point theyre dumber than a buncha lemmings, say the scene is dead blah blah things need to be fixed, yet at the same time they say "Why would i pay money to see a DJ when all they do is play other peoples music?!" well to respond to that, people PAY MONEY to see talent, maybe also to support your cause as a promoter, but its not gonna be a fuckin charity for long. you gotta supply a product, and the product is not just setting a hang out enviornment for people to mingle in, its to supply TALENT THAT IS WORTH PAYING MONEY FOR! is it your talent for social skills? your artistic talent to create a trippy visual experience? NO! ITS MUSICAL TALENT! PEOPLE COME TO DANCE AND YOU NEED GOOD MUSIC TO GET PEOPLE GOING OFF ON THE DANCEFLOOR!! WHO DELIVERS THE MUSIC!? THE FUCKING DJS!!!!! if i wanted to hang out, sure raves and clubs are nice but i can hang out with people ANYWHERE ELSE! I goto raves and clubs because I want to dance, I want to hear danceable music on a big sound system thats FUN to dance to, and i want everyone else around me to enjoy the music as well. i want a solid vibe where i'm not ashamed to flail like a monkey!!! and top it all off, i'll go home smiling because i was able to let out all the stress from my everyday life on the dancefloor with tunes that just wouldnt allow me to stand still. I really hate to mention names on a public message board for such a negative purpose so i won't. but on the positive side, we have promoters like PH1.ca, who has been pushing the techno, progressive house and trance sound by bringing in talents like Marco Carola, Christopher Lawrence, and Lee Burridge, who are phenomenal world class artists on the turntables that KNOW HOW TO ROCK A PARTY WORLD CLASS STYLE! they deliver music, mixing skills and creativity that is original, and is world class because of straight up talent. people all over the world pay big money to see artists like them because everyone wants to have a good time, and as a result of that, other scenes around the world thrive because people trust their promoters to bring in talents that are worth paying that 50 dollar cover for (even $100 cover). ever seen a world class dj perform in front of 20,000 people? probably not because you dont go further than 1000 people gathered up in front of one stage here in vancovuer but let me tell you its a VERY memorable experience to dance with another 20 thousand people to just one dj. but back to my point about PH1.ca, he has been giving people better reasons to attend his events because he brings out TALENT! i'll admit i've never heard of Marco Carola till the promo for him started,mainly because I don't follow the techno scene as much as PH1.ca does, but i know i will be blown away because i trust PH1.ca's choice in DJs as i have attended other events thrown by him. moving along, i know this is not a simple issue so i will address a point on the extremely hard-to-market Vancouver scene. without a doubt, the majority of vancouver partiers and clubbers attend events expecting to hear certain tracks or sounds, and if they dont hear any of them by the end of the night, they go home disapointed. right there, we have a BIG problem for the scene. people are not open for new things. they dont care about the actual DJ skills and they just treat djs like top 40 chumps who have to play the tracks requested or else they are not good djs. ever thought of DJs as artists who probably just might keep up with the music they play alot more than you do? and in their 1-2 hour timeslot, they will present the music they've been listening to that you too can enjoy as much as they do. if you wanna have a good time, just listen to the sets a lil more carefully, listen to their mixing styles, try to figure out the pattern of track selection they have. do their sets flow? is the set fun to dance to? does the dj have a cool taste in music? just be open to new things and then you may enjoy attending parties alot more since you have a better reason to go (to dance to some dope music!!) again to wrap things up here are my 3 main points 1. People goto events (raves and clubs) mainly to dance. To get a big crowd dancing, you need good dance music, and we have to depend on the DJ's to supply the good dance music (unless you want to spend ALOT more money bringing out live pa gear and instruments). 2. Bashing DJ's won't help the scene because it makes one of the main reasons to attend an event not worthwile anymore. Who would wanna go off to a DJ's set if people are talking shit about them? 3. Good vibes at a party may depend on the people attending the event, but if everyone is enjoying the music, youLL get awesome vibes. Even if the most dangerous thugs were attending the party, if theyre enjoying the music and flailing shamlessly, i'd say you're witnessing a pretty damn good dj who is making the party alot more special. i know this is a long post but i really wanna get this message out because without a doubt, the rave scene is dying... but people are blaming politics rather than the actual product - music. i strongly believe music is the heart and soul of the dance music scene and the better the music is, the more people that will attend events. there always will be politics in any scene that involves people, but if you have the right people, who know their priorities in making a good scene running the politics, i see no reason why our beautiful city cant have a world famous scene once again. (and as for not mentioning many names i dont want the wrong people to think i'm talking about them. there are many highly respectable promoters in this city like automatic, proper, pound, and many many more but there are some stupid people who need to get a fuckin clue) 
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Feb 27, 03
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thats longass 2 read
but i read the a bit prolly enuff 2 see ur point and i totally agree their can be a huge name producer that comes but wen he shows he can be the worst dj ever! and put on a shitty show. so who cares if its not there tunez. rzpect the DJ!!!! they gotz skill
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Feb 27, 03
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i disagree
Its the people that make the difference Music and drugs rule the rave scene, Music and booze rules the club scene. an open minded crowd and a good dj will feed off eachother with no limitations. A descent dj with open minded vibey people will be a guaranteed awesome nite A descent dj with a closed minded crowd will result in a stuck up shitty time Its going to get worse before it gets better. The club scene is going to improve... and the next raver generation is a year away Last edited by cheeseburger; Feb 27, 03 at 08:36 PM.
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Feb 27, 03
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just bcus they spin doesnt mean they're better then us but if ur an ass u get no rzpect i guess i shooda read the hole thing but im still not gunna 2 long i just cot the 1rst part and wat i understood of it is y do ppl think that DJ's that dont produce rnt any good 2 see where as headliners OMG GOTTA SEE EM thats the point i heard and u heard my response 2 that
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Feb 27, 03
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I agree with K-pryde and i totatlly understand ur point. But ninewells has a point too. At raves now a days there are way more trippers then music lovers. Not like back in the day. And at clubs its all about the booz and people slutting it up. Music lovers once again are at a low percentage. And by the way, k-pryde u play some awesome shit.
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Feb 27, 03
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i still beleive music is the main thing that brings people to clubs and raves. might not be so for people attending these events for the first time, but to keep people coming and coming for years and years, its the love for the music and thanks eboy =) Last edited by Moon; Feb 27, 03 at 09:36 PM.
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Feb 27, 03
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amen martin mufuckin amen, we've had many a discussion about this before and you know where i stand on this issuse.
just look at events like kiss or any decent club night in this city and you'll know that its music which make s atite vibe, not anything else. good music is essential to a good party because it makes everyone happy. also theres too many broke ass losers who complain about ticket prices, get a fuckin job you chumps, or quiting being a dirty drug addict and maybe it won't be too much of a problem. also i have to bitch at some unnamed promoters who charge prices that are too high for the level of talent found at their parties. i don't wanna pay to listen to your friends play the same tired ass shit i always hear them play, use the money to get some decent talent at your parties and then you wont have to worry about breaking even because only drug addicts show up to your parties. fuck man id pay over a hundred dollars to go to a party if i felt the lineup and set up was going to be worth it. unfortunately i don't think there will ever be a party worth it in vancouver, not just because of the promoters but also because of the regulations put down by the city.
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Feb 28, 03
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Feb 28, 03
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is this about me?
I'm not old school,,, but I've been about for a while... Look at what people have to say that have been about working in the scene(all of the electronic music sides of it) for a long time... it's not all positive about most DJ's. oddly enought it's more of less the same. A DJ is just a DJ. A big name DJ got there cause he knew some one, and cause he has the name people think he's good, while all a long there's 100's of no namers that are even better. Dj's get to much credit for the music. It's fucking joke. Hey you say a lot of shit about what a DJ is to a party,,, I filled show with out even saying what DJ's or artist are playing... go figure maybe the DJ playing the music does not matter as much as the people at the party and/or what music is being played. Stick about k-pryde for a few years,,, then you might have room to argue. Last edited by Crazy Dave; Feb 28, 03 at 05:38 AM.
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Feb 28, 03
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"dumber than a buncha lemmings,"
oh the irony
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Feb 28, 03
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Oh yea,,, not to say there is a very wide spectem of events, from $10 social to $100 with some real talent. So you really don't have a clue when you say people show up for this or that.
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Feb 28, 03
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dave
if u read the end of his 3rd paragraph, that it's not very different from people trusting whatever u bring out evn if it's just u playing for the whole nite kuz u've been doing it for so long and that solid trust of ur rep will always stand that's why when u threw kiss, there was such a positive response evn tho ritm didn't do sucha great show, we still enjoyed everything u threw out
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Feb 28, 03
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i was reading a book jacket last nite where this dood was givin props to 2 daves.. and i was wonderin.... agro dave... m.g. dave... what's the diff.. haha now i know spanks!
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Feb 28, 03
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4:20, you right in the way that people trust me to have good tunes is the way they trust a DJ to have good tunes. But then again I don't get this big head about doing parties, because I'm only the most puplic person with the production of it,,, I am hardly the person that really put it on. Come up and ask me about the party,,, I'll tell who really put it on. I will tell you the door person, the guy that caught my mistake with the turn tables,,, the person the bailed me out cause I forgot to get a ride for a DJ,,,,, Parties don't happen cause of me,,, they happen cause of the people. People come for the people. People work for the people.
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Feb 28, 03
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all right crazy dave the problem with this argument is that first off we goto parties (raves) for different reasons. you enjoy the party atmosphere and gathering of friends. i have no problem with that and actually i respect that alot. on the other hand, i see raves as a show, where the selected few djs out of the hundreds of djs in the city will step up in front of a crowd, and pull off a set that takes years and years of practice to do. sure a dj is a dj but it takes years of practice and understanding for someone to take djing to the next level. while i'm talking about djs pulling off tricks like scratching, flawless mindblowing mixes that have creativity written all over them, unique track selection, you're talking ambient fades.... come on now i'm sure we can overcome the stubborness and face the fact that there are different levels of djing and ambient fades happen to be the VERY VERY basic level opposed to someone pulling off a 4 deck vocal accapella with a disco house bassline over 2 techno drum loops and having it actually doesnt sound messy and its flawless. that is an extreme example i would pay big money to witness but other than that, i'm sure you see my point.
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Mar 01, 03
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Dave "Big" Djs get to where they are by producing records. At least thats how it is in the genres that i listen to.
Although knowing people does play a massive part in every aspect of the world music industry, Its the productions that keep djs on the top.
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Mar 03, 03
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I think martin is right. I saw Marcus for the second time since I've been out here except this time it was at a small party with maybe 100 people at it. I had heard almost every track he played but the mixes were all SO practiced and they all dropped in, in such an original way. Every time a mix started EVERYONE knew right away and all started freakin out and looking at each. A DJ like that makes the crowd hype with crazy skill not with brand new tracks.
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May 26, 08
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May 26, 08
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oh and i think it does not take YEARS of practice to do DJ tricks and be truly good and unique at it...it just takes a good sense of rythm and TIMING and a good TEACHER to move along>.i know some cats who have spun for years and still cant match beats very well....i think it is genetic.,.or they need a good teacher......
Concrete finishing work takes YEARS to learn to do with skill... I give more support and recognition to DJs who actually contribute something MORE thank PLAYING to pur society, thats for sure...(like writing the music--or having a second job that is helpful to my community IE:teaching music.) .......I always say, PLAY RECORDS...I NEVER SAY, PLAY CONCRETE.... I feel that some djs should remember that society is not all about PLAY. Otherwise we would ALL BE DJS./
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