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Mar 24, 03
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Roni Size - Sound Advice
OK... to anyone who knows this track at all I need help!!!
There is a sample from an old videogame in the track and for the life of me I can't figure out which game.... I know it's FROM a game but I'm having a hell of a time placing it. I'm guessing like maybe Zelda for supernes or Chron Trigger but not sure. Anyone? Anyone? 
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Mar 24, 03
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sound advice, is that the one with the harp intro? i have trouble telling his weekly crap releases apart nowadays... but the harp one is decent until it drops.
anyways, if i'm thinking of the right track, and you're talking about the 3/4 harp arpeggio at the beginning (two big ifs) it sounds a lot like the main theme to final fantasy 1, but it's not. roni just ripped it off big time. no. talent. hack.
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Mar 24, 03
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you're an idiot. maybe his recent tunes have been throwaway knockups, but you can't call the man behind 'new forms' a hack. he's got more talent and vision than a thousand Bad Companys so don't talk shit :finger: [wood aka 9663]
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Mar 24, 03
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^^ i wouldn't deny that he's put out some incredible tracks. viewing his body of work as a whole, he's solid.
however, my statement still stands. despite the stuff he put out in the past, at present he's a hack, he fell off big time. to be honest, most of my disrespect for him comes from the feeling i get that he's just being lazy and cashing in. his muse has left him and he's just pumping out crap because his name will sell tracks regardless of their quality. so yeah, he might have talent and vision but until he shows it he deserves all the knocks he gets.
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Mar 25, 03
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unlike 9663 i'm not going to call you an idiot, but you are horribly misinformed.
the fact is that mr. size himself has stated in interviews that his current album "touching down" was never originally intended as an album, and was never really intended to be released, just as the current run of singles, which will basically make up the album were also never intended for release. they were all originally just dj tools for himself and other members of his full cycle camp. that's why they are fairly simple tracks, with an intro blending into a pretty "locked" non-changing groove. a good dj won't let them play for very long before mixing. they may seem "boring" but that's because they were never meant to be listened to the whole way through. the tracks themselves contain wicked heavy basslines that need to be heard on a big system to be appreciated. basically, demand among djs and scenesters for these tracks got so high (especially for the harp tune) that roni eventually decided to release them as an album. if you'll notice, there hasn't been anything like the hype attached to both previous reprazent albums or the breakbeat era project attached to this one. i have to give props to the fact that he's releasing the whole album as vinyl singles, so djs can pick and choose instead of picking up an album with 2 tracks they like for $60. finally, wait until you here the new breakbeat era album before telling me he's fell off.
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Mar 25, 03
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Can you say this having heard new forms ? Or are you completely fucking new? What about breakbeat era? Combine amazing beats with a chick with the most amazing vocal range I've heard in quite some time....that had to be some of the most refreshing stuff I've heard in ages. Yeah, his new stuff may not quite match the callibre of his classics, but I think that he's consistent in releasing a truly unique form of d'n'b. To be completely honest, I don't know if I've heard a whole lot in the last year or two that has been released that I really enjoyed by all the big name producers, maybe they've all lost some of their marbles. ugh bad company ugh. It's not just a clever name.
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Mar 25, 03
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Mar 25, 03
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cool, i didn't know any of that Automatic, but to be honest there are tracks that you get out of quickly, and there are tracks you don't mix into at all because you didn't buy them because they're inexcusably lame. dj tools are one thing. dj tools that outright suck are another thing.
and yes Myra, Tali kicks ass. and Roni's beats are magic when he actually gets into them... the jazz line that he lays under the harp at the beginning of sound advice is almost up to the quality of the jazzy/funky stuff he used to rock. but then what happens? the track immediately turns to crap that sounds just like all the other crap he's put out lately. i don't deny that he's put out some good stuff but you've got to admit that the vast majority of his recent releases are pure garbage. i've heard basslines in his tracks that are made from midi instruments, and even the basslines that sound half decent are pulled from the same completely uninteresting series of notes. his beats have been going nowhere - which is saying something considering that he's never had a knack for changing up drums very well. it isn't "not quite match up to the calibre of his classics" material, nor is it unique once you've heard the first song he did in this style. i'm not hating, i just think he could use a kick in the ass. and a hard one at that. just because he's put out good shit doesn't mean he's immune to criticism.
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Mar 25, 03
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^i'll agree with you since to be honest i felt sound advice, scrambled eggs and playtime plus the other tracks he released rescently coulda been much better, since he past production proved that he is capable of much more. sound advice is probably my favorite track out of all 3, first time i heard it i though the drop was sick as fuck, but when i got it on vinyl, i dunno... wasnt really feeling it... the drop didnt have the same impact on me as it did the first time i heard it... playtime and scrambled eggs... well theyre just dancefloor tracks... i can see what Jay is saying about those tracks not initially being intended for release...
but yeah i see where you're coming from.
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Mar 25, 03
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I haven't picked up a single one of those 'touching down' singles, although i do enjoy sound advice & playtime. but i can appreciate where he's going with that stuff, they're simple and effective tunes meant to blow up the dancefloor, nothing more. Lots of the new full cycle stuff is going in that direction. A tune doesn't have to have mad drum changeups and tweaked-out synths to be effective. Roni follows the long standing tradition of Bristol sound system music - STRONG emphasis on the bass. I think Brut Force is one of his best tunes - it's just a simple two-step break and a bassline made up of 2 notes! but that shit is BANGIN. It's like 8 years old and still more badass than any of Fresh's insane clown coke fiend posse music.
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Mar 25, 03
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Not Tali.... the vocalist in breakbeat era is not Tali. Tali sang on Lyric On My Lip, a tune which, now that i think about it, almost justifys the 'no talent hack' remark. but i'm probably the only person who thinks that so i'll shup my ass up :moon:
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Mar 26, 03
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^^ heh, score one for mixing up which vocalist is which. woo!
i liked Lyric on My Lip a bit, but it didn't grab me by the nuts like District Line did. as for the effectiveness of those new tracks, i wouldn't really even know. i rarely think about effectiveness... sure it's selfish, but i'm all about changeups and melody and stuff that gets my ears right off. i can't get into tracks that are pure dancefloor surgery. Last edited by dfltr; Mar 26, 03 at 02:09 PM.
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Mar 31, 03
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