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Old Dec 03, 03
Sonic Nacartic
 
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The idiocy of micro-genre-ing.

*Kind of brought up by yet another debate of what the difference in jungle and D'n'B is. From Muzik.*

Just how bad is it? Allow me to introduce to you the micro genres of UK Garage!

Underground:
Well that's where it's made, innit? As Slimzee says, "I don't care what you call it, this shit's underground, it's street music."
Key track: Wizzbit featuring Riko - Popadoms

Forward:
Named after the monthly east London night Forward, which reflects the dubby, breakbeat end of the UK Garage spectrum.
Key track: Oris Jay - Said The Spider

Sublow:
Championed by the likes of DJ Martin 'Liberty' Larner and Black Ops, this micro genre defines itself through its heavily drum & bass influenced, grimey rollers. Garage for Guardian readers, the unkind might say, which is probably why no one urban will give it the time of day.
Key track: Jon E Cash - War

Grime:
The mucky strain of UKG that needs a good going over with a bit of Mr. Muscle by that chap who used to be in Brush Strokes, Pirates and the darker floors are all over this.
Key track: Wiley - Igloo

Tech Garage/UK bass:
Similar to the Forward sound, but injected with about a billion influences from Detroit house and childish booty bass. More Hoxton than Hackney - can't see Pay As You Go branching out into it any time soon.
Key track: Debaser - You're Wrong

Urban House:
Anything that doesn't fit into any of the above, reckons celebrity golfer Spoony and his Dream Team pals. Urban music that can be played on the radio on a Sunday lunchtime without offending too many people.
Key tracks: Qualifide - Dubs Volume 4

Still can't quite find the proper micro genre for that one track? No problem. Here is a simple UKG Name Generator to help you out. Simply choose a word from each column!

1. Dark ------ Future ------- 2 Step ------ Garage
2. Urban ---- Dirty ---------- Speed ------- Bass
3. Real ------ UK ------------- Forward ----- Breaks
4. Grimey --- Und'rgr'nd --- Sublow ------- Dub
5. East ------ Side ---------- Street -------- Tech
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Old Dec 03, 03
JUNGALITHP MAATHIV
 
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real dirty speed bass?

maybe this thread should be titled 'the idiocy of UK garage"
:)

saying This Shit's Underground is like saying I'M SO PUNK!
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Old Dec 03, 03
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:D

I looove it..

But I don't understand what's up with micro-genre'ing everything these days. Does EVERYTHING need to fit into a sub sub category???
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Old Dec 03, 03
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dirty - dark - urban - east - side - street - speed - tech

PUT. THE. JIB. PIPE ... DOWN!
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Old Dec 03, 03
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i love dark-tech-future Step DNB... hahaha jk :284:
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Old Dec 03, 03
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seems idiotic to the outsider.... but considering that the scene surrounding each of those 'microgenres' in london alone is probably larger than any of vancouver's various club scenes, there's gotta be some way to distinguish one from the other

a lot of people around these parts would find it amusing that what they call 'techno' or 'rave' music is broken up into several sub genres ie trance, house, breaks, dnb
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Old Dec 03, 03
Sonic Nacartic
 
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Of course, as with many Muzik articles, it's meant to be taken in jest. Still, as it seems with all music, a micro-genre tends to be created when a track is made and the producer, afraid of it being lumped into an existing micro-genre, tends to call it something else. Most of those UKG micro-genres listed maybe have a handful of actual tracks under their banners. Hence, why they included the Name Generator for anything new that would arise.

The truly silly thing about it is that you can take that Name Generator, replace a couple of the words, and it would fit in with almost anything else. Trance, for instance. Replace 'Grimey' with 'Epic' and you might come up with Epic UK 2-Step Tech trance instead of Grimey UK 2-Step Tech garage. The reason why they went with UK Garage is because the music really isn't that much different song from song. The fact that people have already began splitting UKG into mircro-genres just goes to show how silly the whole premise of mircro-genre-ing a style of music has become.
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Old Dec 03, 03
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Forward:
Named after the monthly east London night Forward, which reflects the dubby, breakbeat end of the UK Garage spectrum.
Key track: Oris Jay - Said The Spider

Grime:
The mucky strain of UKG that needs a good going over with a bit of Mr. Muscle by that chap who used to be in Brush Strokes, Pirates and the darker floors are all over this.
Key track: Wiley - Igloo

Tech Garage/UK bass:
Similar to the Forward sound, but injected with about a billion influences from Detroit house and childish booty bass. More Hoxton than Hackney - can't see Pay As You Go branching out into it any time soon.
Key track: Debaser - You're Wrong



Atleast Muzik (who reads this magazine anyway??) has the taste enough to reference a BOMB tune from the one ORIS JAY - aka. Darqwan - "Said The SPider" Ram jam tune!

Speaking of which, FORWARD is a club, but for some eason there's no mention of TEMPA recs, and all the labels affiliated GHOST, SOUL JA, etc. PUre dubstep garage, etc. Where as ORIS JAY, puts out the nastiest, darkest trax around - which is "grimey" to say the least.

And speaking which, you often find all these 3 ^^ quoted sub-genres of garage beats simultaneously on most TEXTURE Records 12"s - also headed by ORIS JAY. TEXTURE Recs rocks!



:PartEkid:

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Old Dec 03, 03
JUNGALITHP MAATHIV
 
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that name generator actually looks like fun if you used it as a way to brainstorm for writing music... :)
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Old Dec 04, 03
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Quote:
Originally posted by **TORMENT**
Speaking of which, FORWARD is a club, but for some eason there's no mention of TEMPA recs, and all the labels affiliated GHOST, SOUL JA, etc. PUre dubstep garage, etc. Where as ORIS JAY, puts out the nastiest, darkest trax around - which is "grimey" to say the least.

And speaking which, you often find all these 3 ^^ quoted sub-genres of garage beats simultaneously on most TEXTURE Records 12"s - also headed by ORIS JAY. TEXTURE Recs rocks!
LOVE Tempa and Ghost stuff... i think the dubstep stuff has been most enjoyable to me, out of all the underground sounds of london. Oris Jay's stuff hasn't really struck a chord with me yet... i'm listening though, cause from what i've heard this guy's on some next level shit.
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Old Dec 04, 03
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Oris Jay is like a messiah! Haha. I'm soooo down with his shiz. When Groovetech was still running, Matin Clarke and Paul Fraser, and the one KODE 9 all had shows, ever check em out? - the dubplate.net Show, and Hyperdub Show. Oris Jay guested and ... WHOAH! It was just when i started getting into TEMPA stuff, and this Oris Jay comes on and.... honestly some of the best music i've heard in my life perod! Really ruff chunes, delivered and slamming harder than most dark dnb!! , and slipping in old British techno like LFO, etc., and ghetto house trax - totally insinc (sp?) with what he does with TEXTURE Recs. Oris Jay is a veteran dj innit? He's been around forever in the UK.

I buy every Texture 12" on site. Bad mon, him. Most people would say Texture sounds are techno influenced, but i don't distinguish em. THEY ARE TECHNO!! I played a full on breakz/dnb nite in Cowtown this summer, and i was hitting em off with Texture, TEMPA, and dark breakstep, etc. Yeah, it was pretty "dark" and minimal compared to the breakz the other dj's were playing - you noticed right away! It was fun.

PETE WILDE is a garage/breakz dj from Calgary. Bad mon! Good stuff. They seemed to be really into the sound there at breakz nites and on campus radio shows.


If anyone hasn't yet, check www.garagepressure.com for Darqwan sets, amongst others. Also links to the GOOD garage sounds about.

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Old Dec 04, 03
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Pffft, this ain't shit. The Metallica VS Ja Rule Metal-Rap hybrid puts all to shame.


...

Owwww... (yeah)
Yeah we did it (its on fire)
Yeah we did it (we are ready to rock this)
Yeah we did it (uh uh ye got metallica,in here)
Yeah we did it (ja rule,swiss the monster)

Lets go:

Just When you Though it was over
Just When you though it was Done
Just When you Though it was safe now...

We did it,did it again
We did it,did it again

Fast Cars,Fast Brauds
Cause im a rock and rollstar baby
born in the usa
im gonna hit the highway
on my harley
do about 38
nothin else but take it easy
any woman what wont please me
I'll give her up
anytihng that wont touch me or move me ill give it up
and i know your all seriouse

we did it,did it again

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] Yeah...(louder)

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] (scream)

[Ja Rule:] let's go...

Just When you Though it was over
Just When you though it was Done
Just When you Though it was safe now...

We did it,did it again

Just When you Though it was over
Just When you though it was Done
Just When you Though it was safe now...

We did it,did it again

Who loves a little rock and roll mixed with a little bit hipp hop soul?
we do
Come one a Rock Steady,We'll keep you Rockin,Get ready
and say
We did it,We did it again

Belive in the air you Breathin in
Im a Mad Work Freak
With a Freaky weekend
No Matter What you spend
because your just livin it up
and damn were gonna do it again
come on,you better bring some friends
we having a party tonight
im bringing juice and gin
you'll beat your head
(Swiss) we did it,did it again

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] Scream

[Ja Rule:] Yeah we did it...(louder)

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] (yeah we did it)

[Ja Rule:] let's go...

[Ja Rule:] Just when you though it was over,Just when you thought it was done

[James:] Rip that smile right off your face

Fast Cars,Fast Brauds
Cause im a rock and rollstar baby
born in the usa
Highway
Harley

(Kirk Kill em)

Who loves a little rock and roll mixed with a little bit hipp hop soul?
we do,we do

break it down

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] Scream

[Ja Rule:] Yeah we did it...(louder)

[James:] More than this,Nevermore you whipping boy

[Ja Rule:] (yeah we did it)

[Ja Rule:] let's go...

Just When you Though it was over (woah)
Just When you though it was Done (yeah)
Just When you Though it was safe now...(come on)

We did it,did it again

Just When you Though it was over (woah)
Just When you though it was Done (yeah)
Just When you Though it was safe now...(come on).

We did it,did it again

Yeah you know about that time
rip that smile right of your face
Oh baby metallica,swiss
what u want with this?
rip that smile right of your face
now you get it, come on yo..
rip that smile right off your face
yeah,we did it again
huh,oh baby metallica,swiss beats
rip that smile right off your face
theres not fuckin with that
rip that smile right of your face [ fade ]
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