most recognized DnB tracks

[**TORMENT**]

^^ i know what you're saying. I'm not at all a Concord Dawn cronie, but they would have that appeal, totally. They probably already do. THey have videos for their vocal trax, don't they? "Reign In BLood" etc.. i can appreciate the influence - altho SLAYER SUCKS SHIT, always has!! - it sounds dumb in dnb. IF you want metal, or vocalised angst ridden dnb, there are places for that, but maybe not in the market they may be rockin that stuff. DO it right, haha.

Personally, I'm just equally critical of either spectrum of dnb, "commerciality" is a big word. It can mean a lot of things.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by **TORMENT**

AND is it sooo surprising that big name, maybe "commercial" dnb dj's like Shy FX (depending on who you ask, i suppose) - who of course rocks in his own right - are playing said commercial tunes?

Why be so surprised about it?

just to clarify - there is a reason why i'm surprised...

i had a chance to chat with Shy & Skibba a couple of years ago when they played at Automatic, i took them out for dinner before the show and they were two of the most personable guys i've met in all my years of promoting. We had a great conversation about the state of the music, what we were feeling & what we weren't, and where we thought the music was going. interesting to get his spin on it, being one of the top selling artists in the genre... and both of them were very much in favor of keeping the soulful elements alive in dnb, and bringing back more of an 'oldskool' flavor. Shy made no attempt to cover up his distaste for the dark & noisey sounds that were raging in popularity at the time, and still are to this day. obviously this guy has no aversion to commerciality... but he did seem quite opposed to the 'heavy metal' element that was gaining momentum at the time, especially with the new breed of producers like Concord Dawn.

so you can imagine my surprise when this particular tune, which seems to sum up all the things he disliked and then some, turns up on his latest mix cd! so somewhere along the lines it seems he's changed his mind, for what reason is anyone's guess. hopefully i'll have a chance to ask him when he's back in june....

[Moon]

if you dont like the heavy metal stuff don't listen to it

theres so much stuff out there. soooooo much. i personally like some of it, but of course in small doses.... at the peak of the mood on the dancefloor its the bomb

[Moon]

just to add to that

i love concord dawn. they have some awesome shit thats just classic in my books. their trancey sound is innovative and sick.

[**TORMENT**]

I hear ya.


Can we get all HELL YA for Shy FX, peeps!!? If anyone has seen it all within jungle/dnb, etc. its him. BOH!@

I think that at that level of dnb - THE BIG TIME - you can get away with that, doing anything you want, playing whatever, etc. And Shy has. On that level, the "commercial" big time plateux, i think its kinda par for the course really. They're constantly getting music pushed in their face, so if its good to them, it'll go in the mix. I don't see it as a surprise. Its kinda their job at that level. Don't ya think?

[**TORMENT**]

Originally Posted by k-pryde

if you dont like the heavy metal stuff don't listen to it

theres so much stuff out there. soooooo much. i personally like some of it, but of course in small doses.... at the peak of the mood on the dancefloor its the bomb

^^ hehe... trust me, i rock h-a-r-d-e-r sounds than Concord Dawn merely messing with Slayer - and have the "soul" to go with it. I just wouldn't turn to Concord Dawn for kicks in that department.

[Wood]

^exactly, dnb can be hard as you like without resorting to Slayer samples & such... like the Breakcore biz that Torment plays, that to me has a lot more balls & attitude than any hair-metal sampling dnb... and it also bears a much stronger resemblance to what dnb was when it first started to emerge, with the merging of disparate elements and the unpredictability of the arrangements, etc... DUBWISE sounds, hard & industrial as they may be... not fucking cock rock, that's just out of place to my ear

if you dont like the heavy metal stuff don't listen to it

but that's the problem right there, Mr. Moon - i won't listen to it, and neither will a lot of others. And since that listening usually takes place at an event, that means there's whole contingent of the dnb scene that could potentially lose interest in attending them.

Concord Dawn have always been ok in my books in the past, i guess i'm not in any position to tell them what kind of tunes to write. I don't like that one though, and i can't deny that it makes me uneasy about the direction of the music. that's all.

[decypher]

Big names have probably been keepin don't tell me in rotation because alot of people wanna hear it. although that repetative vocal sample is way to corny/repetative.. but not nearly as bad as Tali.. i dont mind all over now cuz the girls like it... but lyric on my lip? yuck, sounds horrible, and she even had a corny music video for it... there's no way to stop something from becoming commercialized.. but the good thing with DNB is there always tonnes of influences, wheather its a latin/brazilian/disco tip, hardcore/dark/metal tip, or whatever floats ur boat.. and if no ones producing the kinda DNB u wanna hear, then make it urself and educate the people.. who knows where DNB will go in the future..

[**TORMENT**]

Originally Posted by decypher

Big names have probably been keepin don't tell me in rotation because alot of people wanna hear it. although that repetative vocal sample is way to corny/repetative.. but not nearly as bad as Tali.. i dont mind all over now cuz the girls like it... but lyric on my lip? yuck, sounds horrible, and she even had a corny music video for it... there's no way to stop something from becoming commercialized.. but the good thing with DNB is there always tonnes of influences, wheather its a latin/brazilian/disco tip, hardcore/dark/metal tip, or whatever floats ur boat.. and if no ones producing the kinda DNB u wanna hear, then make it urself and educate the people.. who knows where DNB will go in the future..

Haha^^ TALI and her steez gets dissed now!! If you put all these trax, personel, and appeals in one lump - entirely subjective, potentially bad(?) "commercial dnb" - its kinda the same thing. They crossed over, payed some bills, did the job, etc. Concord Dawn maybe doing it in another cliched way - rock gods, touring with Crystol Method for all we know! That'd be hilarious. It could happen.

Once again, in a thread about anthems, recognisable dnb smash hits, at the end of the day, it all leads to the same thing - a commercial level of dnb. It's always been there, but it could get outta hand if it gets into the wrong hands. It could DEFINE the music. That'd be horrible.

You can mirror this "metal" vocal trance & shit bass music to John B's Square Pegs soundtrax, both potential fringes within dnb, or to straight up Uk Rnb angles like the Shy FX/T-Power "Set if Off" album, or any other aspect of the music that might get a little more airtime than most. On a commercial level, it'll always lock on, it'll work. But to the people involved in the cultural aspect of the music, it'll always be seen as temporary - or not real. The cycles always repeat themselves.

"Bad Music for Bad People" - The Cramps.

[Wood]

Originally Posted by decypher

Big names have probably been keepin don't tell me in rotation because alot of people wanna hear it...

i hope that's not the case, man (although you're probably right)! Shouldn't a drum'n'bass DJ, of top-flight status, be able to pick & choose from hoardes of crowd pleasers without compromising their sound? maybe these guys just don't share the bad associations with angst-rock that i do....

and i reiterate: it's not the commercial aspect of the tune that annoys me. i just think it's popularity signals a wrong turn for dnb. that, and i just think it's a really, really bad song! i mean the production is fine, nothing groundbreaking but it's up to par... but those lyrics.... pure shite. and the vocalist delivering them sounds like a fucking tool. Everything i've ever learned or observed about music in my life has taught me that this song is the very definition of 'bad music'.

[**TORMENT**]

** and to clarify my stance **

I don't think commerciality in dnb is a bad thing - the success and longevity of the music is based upon crossing over - i just think its a little annoying.

Get down to the real biznez.


Ya dig?

[decypher]

Originally Posted by Wood

i hope that's not the case, man (although you're probably right)! Shouldn't a drum'n'bass DJ, of top-flight status, be able to pick & choose from hoardes of crowd pleasers without compromising their sound? maybe these guys just don't share the bad associations with angst-rock that i do....

and i reiterate: it's not the commercial aspect of the tune that annoys me. i just think it's popularity signals a wrong turn for dnb. that, and i just think it's a really, really bad song! i mean the production is fine, nothing groundbreaking but it's up to par... but those lyrics.... pure shite. and the vocalist delivering them sounds like a fucking tool. Everything i've ever learned or observed about music in my life has taught me that this song is the very definition of 'bad music'.

i agree..u can ask some of the big names coming here over the next few months on there opinion heh

[Bevvy Swift]

the most recognized dnb tracks i can think of are

dj krust - warhead
aphrodite - badass, five on it remix, ready or not remix

actually pretty much anything by aphrotite

[MissBehavior]

Roots - You got me remix by Blu Mar Ten (If you can find a decent mp3, let me know. I can't. =P )

[lucyinthesky]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Olive - You're Not Alone
Ganja Krew - Super Sharp Shooter
Natural Born Chillers - Rock The Funky Beat.

Those are the big ones I know of.

im totally lovin the Olive track... thanks man

[Sir_K]

dont forget THIS ONE

[Mr.Wrong]

shameless by self promotion is a nice track
everyone should pick that up/