HOLY ****.. paul oakenfold is comming to vancouver

[ppcock]

i'm still appreciative of good talent

i'm sorry but your #1 fav dj oakenfold does not fall into that category.

[Dj G-Style]

Originally Posted by ppcock

i'm still appreciative of good talent

i'm sorry but your #1 fav dj oakenfold does not fall into that category.

Come on seriously. You have to respect what this guys done for the scene. You may not like him or his style but for what he's done I have the upmost respect.
G

[MrDFrost]

Originally Posted by ppcock

i'm still appreciative of good talent

i'm sorry but your #1 fav dj oakenfold does not fall into that category.

never indicated that he was my fav...but he is a good dj

[Dr. Doom]

^^^
No he isn't.

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by Dj G-Style

Come on seriously. You have to respect what this guys done for the scene. You may not like him or his style but for what he's done I have the upmost respect.
G

and which scene are you talking about?


Oakenfold hasnt done shit.. He's just made some decent tracks in the 90's.

I respect him as a producer but deffinetly not as a dj.

[MrDFrost]

meh, whatever....you people are downers.

[ty:rone]

obviously azim must like him kuz it's his party..
evidently it seems kraig doesn't even tho he works for twisted (har har)

freeeeeeeeeestylaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz!!!

[jim]

Originally Posted by 4:20

obviously azim must like him kuz it's his party..
evidently it seems kraig doesn't even tho he works for twisted (har har)

freeeeeeeeeestylaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaz!!!

Azim is a business man, there is no correlation between liking someone and booking them for your party.

It's all economics, nothing more.

If you book him, the sheep will follow.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Dj G-Style

Come on seriously. You have to respect what this guys done for the scene. You may not like him or his style but for what he's done I have the upmost respect.
G

Inundated the scene with shit trance and churned out the idea of the superstar DJ with absolutely zero DJ talent, thus creating an army of clones who do nothing more than play other people's music and make 8-bar beatmatches and consider them the greatest DJs in the world while further drawing the scene deeper into the heavy bowels of commercialism and turning ravers from ravers into consumer whores?

Yeah, he's done so much for the scene.

He's a bad DJ. As Bill Hicks would say: Quit your internal dialogue. You're wrong. No argument. He _IS_ a BAD DJ. He hasn't made any solid production choices either since 1999 (maybe earlier). You wanna see Oakie at his better work, look up Jon of the Pleased Wimmin or Minds of Men or anything else released under Perfecto in the mid-90s. But don't feed me any of this "what he's contributed to the scene." That's like saying that the people who promoted Britney Spears to where she is today contributed to the music scene. It's just plain not true.

[MrDFrost]

yeah well. he aint the only dj at crave, and it will be interesting to here him spin his "un-origional tracks" or whatever you want to call it...It will be a good night. I've never seen him before, now i have a chance. so be it.

[ebbomega]

A fool and his money are soon parted I suppose.

Enjoy your McTrance. I'm certain you will.

[MrDFrost]

the only fool is the one that assumes things....i did not purchase the ticket....and yes i will enjoy myself.

[Dj G-Style]

[quote=ebbomega]Inundated the scene with shit trance and churned out the idea of the superstar DJ with absolutely zero DJ talent, thus creating an army of clones who do nothing more than play other people's music and make 8-bar beatmatches and consider them the greatest DJs in the world while further drawing the scene deeper into the heavy bowels of commercialism and turning ravers from ravers into consumer whores?QUOTE]

I'm not saying he's the greatest Dj in the world but he has defiently opened the eyes of many people to electronic music. As far as turning ravers into commercial whores? I think that's a little harsh. I think Ravers are a little bit smarter than that to become a bunch of whores based on Paul Oakenfold. I have a little more hope for the ravers out there that they are caable of thinking for themselves and making their own judgements on things. You obviously do not like him or his style and that is fine but there is a right way and wrong way to speak your mind. Similar to Moby in many ways. Getting better awareness through commercial routes for the electronic industry creates more dollars for budding Dj's/Producers to get out in the market. Hate him or love him he's taken the electronic scene to a new level. I remember 10 years ago finding it almost impossible to find good electronic tracks freely available. Even today it's not an easy task to find good tracks but because HipHop and R&B has recieved great media exposure there are 100's of thousands of new hip hop and r&b artists producing albums. Hopefully one day the electronic music scene will have a big enough audience to sustain the same amount of attention and financial costs to keep the electronic movement going. You see electronic music going mainstream as a bad thing where in actual fact it's a great thing for the industry. I like to think on a bigger scale than locally. The bigger the scene the more oppotunities are out there and no matter how you look at it Paul Oakenfold has had a hand in that and for that I comend him.
psst: Global awareness of electronic music benefits everyone.
G

[Sykonee]

I'm not saying he's the greatest Dj in the world but he has defiently opened the eyes of many people to electronic music.

Not really. At the time Oakenfold was getting big, the largest names in EDM were The Prodigy, Underworld, The Chemical Brothers, even U2, thanks largely in part to soundtracks featuring these artists. Oakenfold just happened to ride that wave when we was the opening DJ to U2's Pop Tour.

What Oakenfold did was put a face to a faceless form of music (ie: the DJ), effectively causing the producers of the tunes the DJ plays to become second fiddle.

Much in the same way the M.C. killed the DJ in hip hop, really. An audience tends to indentify with the face before the music. Why this is, well, we'd have to ask an expert on human behaviour for an answer.

[ty:rone]

Originally Posted by jim

Azim is a business man, there is no correlation between liking someone and booking them for your party.

It's all economics, nothing more.

If you book him, the sheep will follow.

too bad it doesn't bring in the 'cocks.

[Séguin]

PAUL JOKENFOLD!?!?!

[Sean]

That was really original.

[Séguin]

As original as he is?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Dj G-Style

I'm not saying he's the greatest Dj in the world but he has defiently opened the eyes of many people to electronic music.

He opened their eyes to BAD electronic music, making the only thing more unbearable than the Nammer families propping their half-conscious cousins up all over the plaza the insanely ear-stabby sounds quantified as "music" eminating from the mainstage nine times out of ten.

I don't care who gets into Electronic music. I'm into it, and that's enough for me. But what irks me the most is that it's just flogging all the good electronic music by making Superstars out of the really mediocre shit *coughTiestocough*. I'd rather people just weren't into electronic music if that's the case.

As far as turning ravers into commercial whores? I think that's a little harsh.

So how much did you pay for your last plaza ticket?

I think Ravers are a little bit smarter than that to become a bunch of whores based on Paul Oakenfold.

I think Ravers are people. And what you say _was_ true until the scene got filled with a bunch of Oakenwhores.

I have a little more hope for the ravers out there that they are caable of thinking for themselves and making their own judgements on things. You obviously do not like him or his style and that is fine but there is a right way and wrong way to speak your mind.

It's cute that you think that, really it is. But I'm speaking my mind the only way I know how: By saying how I feel.

I'm sorry, but as much as you'd like to try and justify his presence in the rave scene, I highly disagree. He did come and change the scene as we know it, but I HEARTILY disagree that anything he's done since 1999 has at all been for the better.

Similar to Moby in many ways. Getting better awareness through commercial routes for the electronic industry creates more dollars for budding Dj's/Producers to get out in the market. Hate him or love him he's taken the electronic scene to a new level.

EXCEPT MOBY IS GOOD AT WHAT HE DOES. He doesn't just throw on tracks, trainwreck and have everybody think he's fantastic because of it. HE WRITES MUSIC. Oakie does have skill as a producer (as noted by Perfecto's Pre-1999 record), but he's not coming out here to perform. He's coming out to DJ. He sucks at DJing. Why in god's name are people paying to see this?

I remember 10 years ago finding it almost impossible to find good electronic tracks freely available. Even today it's not an easy task to find good tracks but because HipHop and R&B has recieved great media exposure there are 100's of thousands of new hip hop and r&b artists producing albums.

You need to listen to less radio.

10 years ago you could find a lot of electronic music. I know this because 10 years ago I was finding a lot of electronic music, and I lived in DUNCAN! Today the reason it's not as easy to find good tracks because it's, as I've said many times before, thoroughly diluted with BAD electronic music. I'm still failing to see how Oakie's touch is so Midas.

Hopefully one day the electronic music scene will have a big enough audience to sustain the same amount of attention and financial costs to keep the electronic movement going. You see electronic music going mainstream as a bad thing where in actual fact it's a great thing for the industry. I like to think on a bigger scale than locally. The bigger the scene the more oppotunities are out there and no matter how you look at it Paul Oakenfold has had a hand in that and for that I comend him.
psst: Global awareness of electronic music benefits everyone.
G

I almost agree with that idea, except for one simple little thing.

PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO CRAP MUSIC!!!!!!

Okay, maybe that's not as true today as it was about 3 years ago, as a lot of the new stuff I've been hearing lately of many different genres (Save for.... you listening?.... the trance) has been really stellar. But none of it has been coming by the hands of Oakenfold, so don't expect me for one second to give him an ounce of props beyond Brand New Day or Give Me Strength, because IMO Oakie is about as overrated as it gets.