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Old Oct 09, 04
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more cubase sx questions...

when I use VST effects, how can I "midi learn" to my keyboard so I can do live tweaking? if I can't, how do I automate the VSTs?
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Old Oct 10, 04
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also... I can't seem to plug VST effects into VST instruments...
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Old Oct 12, 04
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hey liam.. if you have any questions you can always feel free to give me an email (ill-esha@ill-esha.com)..
i've always taken for granted that you select on the created midi channel which midi input you want to use (say my keyboard is in midi 2) and then select which vst output you want (say absynth). most of the parameters of my keyboard seem to work just fine, i will go home later and remind myself how you "learn" it (haven't done it in awhile)

as for automating vsts.. in your channel underneath the name of the track (say, Midi 1) there are two buttons, R and W (for Read and Write). There is a selectable box where you can choose what you're automating (say, Delay). Select Delay, expand the little + sign, you will see the automation line, and then select Read and Write both, and you can draw in the automation with the pencil and arrow tools.

Once you get your keyboard controls responding to that of the VSTs, you can automate live by selecting just Write, and drawing it in. To play back the track with automation, select just Read (if you select Write it will automate as you play back).

I'm not too good at 'splainin things, so give me an email if this is unclear =).
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Old Oct 13, 04
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gracias! :) I figured out how to automate the VSTs effects, but it only lets me do it for one effect... when I use other effects they just don't show up in the automation list... ther will be a "more..." selection at the bottom but even when I select the folder the VST is in... nothing...

but now... a major problem has come up... reason refuses to rewire with cubase now... I tried the rewire.dll fix, nothing... reason just freezes up when I try to rewire it into cubase... I don't even know where to begin with this problem... with that said, I haven't been able to try how to "midi learn" VSTs yet...

its like when one problem is solved... two more come up...
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aack, go over to PT man, enabel auto write on mix window..make sure right midi channel is active on pulggin and hit record...is all ive ever done

mabey its essentially the same in cubase but i dont understand steinberg language.
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wow i actually knew the answer to the automation question. About as far as my cubase knowledge goes besides using the vsts and basic crap haha...Liam i got a cubase video tutorial if u want it, i've been meaning to go through it soon. As soon as im done this hell week of job interviews and midterms...
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revolver: PT?

decypher: holy shit! I would LOVE a video tutorial!
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Old Oct 14, 04
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pro tools midi licks my balls.
i have used as my base programs acid, fruity loops, nuendo, reason, logic, pro tools and cubase sx.

now, the following is only my opinion, and i admit it. so don't flame me. i have only my experiences, and i'm not pretending to know everything.

pro tools - a really sharp system if a) you can afford the HD setup, and b) you're just doing post-production, or straight audio recording. anything that doesn't involve too much midi. i find the midi capabilities and ease-of-use to be severely lacking compared to anything else.

acid - fine, to record a dj mix. although to be fair i haven't used acid in ages, so it may have gotten all crazy like, but i doubt it.

fruity loops - a toy, now with more power and bigger balls but still limited. sure, you CAN squeeze good sounds out of it, but why would you when you could use something better?

logic - great, with everything i'd want, if i had a mac. not made for pc anymore.

reason - i like it as a rewire program, not as a master. mostly because i do a lot of audio recording, and well, reason just isn't built for that. sure i could record audio externally and import it into the reason sampler, but why would i if the audio is vocals for an entire song? i need the power to sequence blocks of audio, not just midi.

nuendo - stellar program, has great surround sound capabilities - if you're more advanced you can make this baby fly, and it's also got everything you'd want. a little tough to learn for the complete novice, but worth your while, the audio engine is stunning.

cubase sx - same audio engine and build as nuendo, but with the midi capabilities of the old cubase. got a lot of great features, and like nuendo there's a bit of a learning curve, but well worth your time.

cubase sx was the right program for me because i run a PC-based setup, record a lot of audio, program a lot of midi, do my own mastering, and use an external firewire digital mixing console as my soundcard. all these things seem to work for me. depending on your setup and your own personal needs, something else may be better for you.

that's my $0.02
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Old Oct 14, 04
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liam, i'll have the answer for you re: midi learn, tonight, i totally spaced on checking it out last time i was in the studio (and you know, sometimes you have to be right in front of your setup to remember the exact steps for 'splainin)

as far as your rewire problem.. dude, i know this is a dumb question, but sometimes it's the obvious.. are you making sure to open cubase BEFORE reason? you know that you always have to open cubase first, right?

(sometimes, i've furiously ranted about how my synth suddenly won't turn on, only to discover the plug dangling out of the socket..)

oh, and one more thing, which version of sx are you running? i remember i used to run 1.03-b, and it had TONS of bugs in it, they fixed them gradually as they upgraded.. maybe your version needs an upgrade
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Old Oct 14, 04
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fruity loops - a toy, now with more power and bigger balls but still limited. sure, you CAN squeeze good sounds out of it, but why would you when you could use something better?
I'd have to say I totally disagree with that comment... I've used almost all the platforms around and Fruityloops was what I started with... in the time that I've been making tunes with my PC I was mostly all stoked on how dope Reason was.. until I realized that because it has no VST instrument capabilities and the Reason instruments suck compared to almost any VST instrument on the market... lately my roomies have shown me a bunch of stuff that's new in Fruityloops Studio Producer and I've gone back to the 'toy' fullheartedly... Basically my tactics are thus... I make my beats using Fruityloops, then make a bassline using a VST instrument within Fruityloops (that way I can shuffle around my drums after having a bassline to build from) then I export to Cubase SX2 and do everything else from there... if I need to use anything from Fruityloops (such as Fruity Wave Traveller, to create scratching from a sample) then I shuffle off a wav clip of my tune back into Fruityloops and use it as a template for whatever Fruity effect I'm creating...

Everybody knocks Fruityloops like it's a toy, but if you have the right VSTs and the right knowledge of how to use it, Fruityloops is one of the quickest and best programs out there... it's like an easier and more friendly version of Reason that doesn't make you spend 6 hours to do the simplest thing (like changing the pitch of hats or kick drums within ReDrum!)

annnnd... that's my rant of the day... no flame at u Ill-esha... just sharing what I've learned... use what's easiest and makes most sense to you! that's the real trick to making good music, from there it's all creativity!
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Old Oct 14, 04
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(such as Fruity Wave Traveller, to create scratching from a sample)
Oh man, don't tell me you simulate scratching... dj who?


On a side note I find it hard to take a program seriously when they refer to everything as being "fruity". Bad marketing perhaps?
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pro tools midi licks my balls.
such a vulgar remark,but yes i agree. cubase is a much more midi-firendly program...wich it was first created for anyway. a midi sequencer on the 1040st.

but pro tools is the only app i use....longside reason\recycle. with soundforge running on my pc.

i do very little sequencing....and the midi capabilities in pro tools are more than enough for me..and the rig that i use. i dont like to gear drop but if any of you are interested yu can see my studio pic in my gallery.

so long story short, i should really but out of this VST intensive thread :)
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Old Oct 15, 04
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Cubase SX is the nicest platform for sequencing. The VST's are amazing and the program is extremely user friendly. I used to own an Atari Falcon running on cubase audio, I am so glad I switched to PC. Fruity Loops is kinda hokey with its 16 step sequencer and bad sampling engine, do you seriously think your fooling anyone with the FL studio? Logic is awesome, if you have a mac (as stated earlier) Nuendo? haha...Protools, nice and clean audio, midi is crap, nice gear that comes with the programs and plug-ins, but the price is too much. Reason, forget it. And lastly, Acid, good for music that went out of style.
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