DJ'S > CD'S or VINYL?

[~ katem]

ya ya I know you've heard it all before..



you know the pro's, you know the cons..but seriously: how much energy & time can you expend searching for that *one track* on a record..paying at least 15 bones and risk having it scratched.........

........when all you could ever want or need is literally at your fingertips, a download and a quick burn away. It's practically free; you can share it with anyone and fuck man; that shit doesn't get scratched up.

I've made my opinion ( vinyl, worth the hassle, in my opinion )

What is yours?

[dapimpstress]

VINYL MASSIF wutttt.

[mapleleaf4ever]

It also depends on what you're looking for. Sometimes it's daaaaamn near impossible to find something that you want on Vinyl. Like Central-Kazakhstani Tech-House or something. :p

[dabbler]

if you don't pay for the music you play, how is the scene going to continue?
don't get me wrong, i download lots, but i pay for all the stuff i play out (if it gets released)

[~ katem]

seriously. I might just be lazy..but even ordering direct is a hassle. half the shit I want isn't in..you have to wait for weeks. I guess I just don't spend enough time diggin thru the crates..haha

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by dabbler

if you don't pay for the music you play, how is the scene going to continue?
don't get me wrong, i download lots, but i pay for all the stuff i play out (if it gets released)

^props.
i dont dj, but people that rip off tracks and burn them without paying for them (and then go on to play them/keep said track as part of a collection) are lame. stop trying for a way around everything!!!

[~ katem]

and dudes..I 100% agree with you. I hate em' :P well not haaate..but you both are so right.....vinyl, it's a business...if the consumer doesn't pay..then they won't distribute it right?

and yah, they are for sure lazy..but that laziness is growing on me. I'm picky with my tracks. And it seems less and less, is being pressed.

[Silverwinged]

Originally Posted by ~ katem

and dudes..I 100% agree with you. I hate em' :P well not haaate..but you both are so right.....vinyl, it's a business...if the consumer doesn't pay..then they won't distribute it right?

and yah, they are for sure lazy..but that laziness is growing on me. I'm picky with my tracks. And it seems less and less, is being pressed.

and it will continue to be less if you arent consuming the goods that are being put out as it is.

[ppcock]

I use both. It really depends on what you want to spin.

A lot of industrial and goa i can only find on CD's. My techno, trance and everything else i play I have the tracks on record.

I prefer vinyl..it feels better and sounds better.

[~ katem]

so true. and that is my very issue.

..but where do you draw the line on your own personal commitment to something that you always thought you would stand by and stand up for....when convenience is staring you in the face?

I know it's selling out...and no I haven't made any definate decisions yet

- this is all just for your own opinions and entertainment for myself -

but when it comes to your success as a dj, pleasing the crowd and all that...do you REALLY think they care what your playing on?

If you've been behind the decks; you've been on the dancefloor.. and all that matters is what's coming out those speakers, right?

[b0ld]

Well.... Ya you can download tracks and mix it. Only problem is is if your a dj wanting to make profit then you HAVE TO either buy the music or send some type of royalty to the artist/recording label. Keep in mind now days that alot of artists are also releasing the tracks on copywritten cd's just like what you would find on vinyl. Perfect example is Ferry Corsten - Its Time , Andain - Beautiful Things. Both have been released both on vinyl as well as cd's. Currently the canadian law will protect you based on file sharing and what not but if you make any type of profit to your benefit then its considered illegal because of the copyright agreement signed in 1997 with the recording industry.

Now on the other half you have vinyl... What are alot of dj's starting to do.... Well they are ripping the vinyl so that they can put it on cd's. Reason being? well if your going all over the country or all over the world and depending as to how much vinyl you have and how many sets you got stored up the hardware can get heavy and of course you gotta pay that extra pretty penny for weight and shit on an airplane. So many factors involved. Now the thing is is if they were ever stopped by either authorities or accused by a record label of "pirated music" then they have the true hardware at home to which they can prove that they do infact have the original vinyl. Canadian law as well as many other countries will allow individuals to make a copy of the content that they own as long as they can show some type of proof that they owned it.

Now the other thing that comes into place is the "feel" and the "quality" of cd's vs vinyl. I've heard lots of dj's say that the reason they don't like cd's is because of things such as quality of the beats (kicks/snare/high hat/etc) They find it more crisp then anything even if the cd has been digitally mastered. Now of course in order to place these 2 seperate piece's of media you need the hardware involved. Basically every vinyl turntable is low maintenance if you try to compare it with a cdj. Think if you had both and they both broke down. Well the CDJ will have so many electronic parts and what not that you'd probably just want to put it back together and have someone else deal with it although it would come to a cost of course. As per a vinyl turntable.... well obviously has less parts involved and you probably have to do the odd lubricating to it anyways aside to just changing the stylus.

And finally the last thing that it comes down to is some of the genre's that are out there. A perfect is example is psy-goa. Now yes you can find some on vinyl but supposively its very hard to come by. And with the amount of psy artists that are out there producing tracks like crazy but aren't able to get there stuff pressed on vinyl based on various reasons... they are just having there content put on cd's.


So if your just wanting to do mixing then sure you can use cd's not a problem. If you want to experiment with beat juggling/scratching and still do mixing then vinyl is the way to go.

[DJDeeb]

I still use vinyl.

mind you if I had the money to purchase a set of CDJs then I'd be spinning with cds.
As long as a downloaded mp3 is about 320kbps then it sounds pretty good anything less sounds horrible.

[~ katem]

BOLD...



well how can I top that?! :p

very nicely put together. you obviously have done your research and know your shit.

so you've weighed the facts; but what is your OPINION ? :)

which one do you prefer?

[Ryan Ross]

I prefer vinyl... I'd feel bad ripping someone elses music from the internet to play out at a party. If producers are going to keep putting out music they should benefit from it. The only time I'd use CD decks is if it was an unreleased track or something I'd produced myself.

[dabbler]

there's a good reason for GOA not being available on wax.
their own scene stopped buying it, and now no artist can afford to press it!!!
the goa scene figuratively shot it's own foot off

[Sykonee]

CD vs. vinyl is so dated now. The current battle is Abelton vs. everything else.

[dj_soo]

i prefer vinyl myself, but I see nothing wrong with CDs and download files as long as you pay for them. Aside from the fact that if you're playing Mp3s which sound like total ass, there's plenty of legitimate ways to purchase CDs and digital music and if you prefer that medium. Just don't be ripping tunes off SoulSeek to play out at gigs cause if people get wind of it, you'll tend to get blacklisted so quickly...

[Allya]

I use about half vinyl and half cds when playing out. Honestly alot of the hard dance and trance I like I can't find half the time for download, either that, or only one person has it or lot's of people have a low quality set rip version. I find downloading is more of a hassle than it is worth. Then comes the issue of stealing an artist's work (this issue has been done a million times on fnk). To put it simply, I won't lose any sleep over burning the latest Tiesto or Ferry Corsten track to cd, but whenever possible I will buy a new artist's track instead of downloading it because these new artists are the ones who need the sales in order to get recognition.

[~ katem]

Good to see all the support for the producers $$

[Tayfoon]

If you arent allowed to play the track off CDJ's

you will get nowhere in ur career, plain and simple


It doesnt make u a better dj to play unreleased material, ofcrouse some of it is pure gold, but if u dont have consent


well

IMO

you deserve to get shot

[~ katem]

true that ^^

Personally I'm not one to break copyright laws myself; I don't advocate it; yet I don't defend it.

The way I see it: Music is life. But music is business. Take Linkin Park for example..they are breaking their deal with Warner because they haven't been payed in royalties what they have sold. ( 32 million records or around there ) I pretty much predict Warner is fucked in one way or another ( stocks will go down cuz of the 'new rep' )...afterall 10% of their revenue was generated by Linkin Park. Yes. Interesting fact. I'm not a fan; I just heard it last night on the news when I was stoned.

So all in all, sorry to say ( unless you're an independent artist running your own company ) artists are getting shafted in some way..yah their most likely living the high life, they've made their dreams come true and their ego's are fine ...but do you think they do their own accounting? I don't think so.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by dabbler

if you don't pay for the music you play, how is the scene going to continue?
don't get me wrong, i download lots, but i pay for all the stuff i play out (if it gets released)

I still steal music, but I'm not as bad as you guys?

[CharlieTuna]

I just recently switched to CD's, I fucking love them. I either legally download them off sites on the internet where you pay for them, or I rip them from my own vinyl collection.

[decypher]

Having a track on vinyl is WAY more satisfying. Finding a record that is the original breakbeat for countless tracks, your favourite band, or your favourite producer. Its way more gratifying and something tangible that you can keep for years and years.

When i was young i'd spend every penny i earned on punk cd's, it was great getting the booklets and reading the lyrics etc. Then the burner came and CD's became a dime a dozen. Dramatically drops the value.

That being said, i still believe CDJ's are great for producers who wanna play their new track, or a dub they were sent by a fellow producer, et al. But from a bottom up perspective, all the new DJs who just decide to download everything and play out on CD's without giving back to the scene in which they represent, is laaame. Labels should just start releasing high quality CD's with artwork on the front, a little booklet with info and assorted goodies and sell it for cheaper since it would be cheaper to manufacture. That way CD and Vinyl mediums are both supported. Supporting the record stores is what helps produce more of the music u listen to.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I still steal music, but I'm not as bad as you guys?

stealing music isn't the main hassle. making money of it IS