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Oct 09, 05
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Vancouver is pretty much just a bunch of people saying "my boom tiss is better than your boom tiss".
Every genre has its respectable features and deserves credit. Every genres has it's crappy tracks and crappy DJs. And every genre has it's well respected anthems. The only genres I believe don't deserve credit are "speed garage" and "jump-up". Speed garage is just improperly build House, while jump up is improperly built Jungle. If someone went and fixed all the basslines of the tracks under those classifications, I'd listen them. 
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Oct 09, 05
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The rest of it, not at all. But obviously we have differing opinions so we'll just leave it at that. :)
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Oct 10, 05
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Oct 10, 05
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lol..
Well if you have been partying for 4 years...you haven't been listening to the music have you??? 4 years of partying and you don't know what kind of music is what..Just because you partied for 4 years dosen't really mean shit to me..What if you only went to 1 or 2 parties a year..Well then at least you would have an excuse for your ignorance..
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Oct 10, 05
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Rob are people in Vancouver really this week? Or is it the same back East? Is it just me or that the only people really arguing on the side of UK HardHouse being really HardHouse is 1) a guy that wants more and 2) a guy that's a DJ of it? Both of who don't seam to know much about Trance and Techno, so they could hardly argue that UK HardHouse could maybe fall largely under those influences, rather then House. I guess you can call HardCore HardHard also also... hey it's harder then house, so it works... right Optimum Sound? Hey by your Logic a lot of Breaks and Jungle is also HardHouse. And this is the hole in your argument.
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Oct 10, 05
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Back east. At least where I'm from. People don't get into "genre arguments". If they do, it's really, really rare.. Everybody has a mutual respect for eachother baised on the fact that their a person with their own taste too.
The only time I see people taking swings at genres on the board out there. Its usually 2 friends who are bored at 2 AM and can't sleep. If someone out there has an issue with a genre... The leave threads promoting that genre alone. Much like I do, because I have better things to do that go around posting "this sub-genre sucks". Besides, if you go up to a random person on the street. Their going to call it all "Techno" anyway. So we should think in terms of unity instead of finding division lines. Last edited by Séguin; Oct 10, 05 at 01:17 PM. Reason: spell check
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Oct 10, 05
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"my boom tiss is better than your boom tiss"...look in page 2 where I clearly said Hardhouse is the name of the genre, but no, Crazy Dave has to go talk about this is harder than that. Dude what's your problem?
"hey it's harder then house, so it works... " learn to read you moron, its just the name of the genre, go and find one post where I argued hardhouse as being "harder" than other genres. As for Chicago hardhouse, I would rather be deaf so yes "my boom tiss is better than your boom tiss". North America is always playing catch up to the UK level of production, so it will be a few years before that chicago hh sounds decent. btw I like all music if it sounds good and Super Sweet was a crazy party, something I havent seen in years and possibly will never see again in Vancouver. thanks for all the attention :) plur
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Oct 10, 05
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Pop music is harder than hardhouse. Great. Can we move along now?
Seems the word hard gets all these guys going...wtf is up with that? Quote:
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Oct 10, 05
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let me guess..
^^Let me guess ..You spin UK hard house right?? There are several excellent producers of hard house in the US. Could it be that you just don't like the music Not the lack of good producers..
To me UK hard house is far from hard house..Its more on the tech house sounding to me..But then of course I am going to say that coming from listening to US hardhouse to listening to UK hard house. Compare the 2 and UK hard house is not anywhere near the hard levels of the US material. Have you even bothered listening to any of the new US hard house stuff ?? Its changed a bit. Just cause maybe you listened to a cd 5 years ago does not mean that it has not evolved from there.. But then with the close minded ignorance that seems to be very strong in the personalities of the party goers, promoters and even the djs in Vancouver I woudn't be surprized if you made your decision based on something you heard 5 years ago.
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Oct 10, 05
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Ok, I agree with you on the closed minded ignorance of Vancouver, I couldnt agree more on this. In the end it is a business and what sells here is Trance.
I did check one of the links you posted. In fact I could only listen to a few minutes because I didnt think too much of it and that music is really lacking rhythm. Talk about repetition... I really dont know how this hard talk started, but for the tenth time, I am not saying UK hardhouse is harder than anything. As for your comment on making my mind up 5 years ago, this is true, I liked uk hardhouse 5 years ago but it sucks compared to what is out now. I am speaking for the unreleased tracks I have access to as well as every track that comes out every other day. To make a point out the production level I am speaking of, just look at florida breaks, althought they sound great, it is nothing compared to the stuff put out in the UK, some may disagree and that's alright. I use my ears to make judgement on music and sound, not a personal preference. I have nothing against chicago hardhouse and it could be harder or not than uk, but I am not arguing this issue, comprende? Quote:
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Oct 10, 05
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Thank you, that is what the thread was about. I noticed that uk was not included in the name of the thread...
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Oct 10, 05
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yes..
yes I agree with you that trance is the selling point in Vancouver but why don't the promoters help try to incorperate other types of music by adding in a US hardhouse dj or even ghetto tech, booty house, happy hardcore , ect. The reason why trance sells in Vancouver is because its the only thing half the time that the party people are exposed to. Go out east see how many times Ferry Corsten , AVB, Tiesto are booked at RAVES..I know for a fact that in toronto they are never be booked at raves..They are booked in clubs. There is a huge difference between a club and rave .
If promoters just put one US hardhouse, ghetto tech, booty house dj ect... on the lineup I am sure it would not ruin the party. Who knows it might actually be the change that Vancouver so desperatly needs. Besides promoters are having a hard time in breaking even or even making some sort of profit. Fewer people are attending the events and buying tickets is this alone not a hint that a change has to be made somewhere??
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Oct 10, 05
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i think we need yoji to come back
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Oct 10, 05
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I am glad we have come to an understanding. When this thread started, I wanted to keep my thoughts to myself, because this scene is pretty lame, definitely needs change and the way everything is managed comes down to profit.
I am not sure why the decrease in demand happened, maybe drugs aren't as good anymore, haha. As much as I love electronic music, I am not willing to pay for a show that does not have something for me as I am sure you also have trouble finding somewhere that plays music you like... Quote:
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Oct 10, 05
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Yes, this is a different topic...meh, who cares anyways?
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Oct 10, 05
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Yoji spins techno, and produces hard trance...hardstyle is a completely different genre...the only thing similar to hardtrance is the "WOMP" bassline.
Uk Hardhouse from what I was told from Paul Maddox is a term for hardhouse spun at 145-150 bpm (Due to the UK dj's liking everything faster). Uk Hardhouse also displays allota cheesy sounding melodies with LOTS of potential... I honestly think allot of the melodies could use a slight echo cuase shit...they all sound like fast melodic farting. As for Vancouver's lack of knowledge on genres, I tottaly agree... To straighten this out... Hard Dance is a general genre...within this genre is Hardhouse, Hardtrance, Hardtechno (allot of the times its hardtechno with hardtrance...). If you havnt noticed Yoji is reffered to as a HardDance dj, mainly because he spins everything (for those of you who heard him play at IMF.) It pisses me off how people cant distinguish Hardhouse from Hardtrance...they are completely sounds. Personally I think Hardhouse is dead...techno is taking over...
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Oct 15, 05
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optimum sound: What sells in Vancouver is 1 type of Trance, Not the Trance/Techno you play/make. Aka HardHouse. Personally I don't care much for the the main style of Trance that has been common in Vancouver's larger parties for the past 4-6 years. I am not big for the EpicTrance/EpicHouse/Euro cross over that is commonly referred to as just "Trance" the stuff is too poppy for my liking.
Now I have got to point out it is interesting how almost of your "arguments" for your position are biased on personal insults to me and others. Also the refusal or inability to refute any of the points I have made can be taken as that you do not really have a well informed stand. You might what to look in to what you are saying and back it up with some education and then argue it with some logic. Rob,,, point taken. On these point, I drop it... other then one last thing... does any one have a copy of Moral Kombat CD,,, I want to see what Optimum Sound is talking about.
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