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Nov 17, 05
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A question for girls: music production
Now before you go all groaning that this is a "GRRRRL POWER!" or "OMG WOW A FEMALE PRODUCER" thread... not at all.
These days, there are much more women behind the decks. But what about women behind the console? Historically both DJing and music production/engineering have been male-dominated fields, but with the gradual gender equality happening in the DJing field, one would think that there would be more girls making beats as well. But it hasn't happened. So to all the ladies into creating/being involved with music on this board.. why don't you produce? Are you not interested in technical things? Does gear bore you? Are you scared off/turned off by the male camaraderie/ego? Do you want to learn, but not from some know-it-all/cocky bastard?* Does making electronic music itself just not interest you? OR.. are there tons of you making beats and you just don't talk about it? I'm just curious why there are not more up-and-coming producers in this town that also happen to be women. That's all. The only other female producer in this town I know is the allmighty Queensyze. Guys of course, feel free to respond, but no smartass or "OMG THIS THREAD IS SEXIST" replies. Thanks. =) *yes, I will admit, this could be a precursor to an offer for music production lessons.. but it's not right now, ok? just a curiosity. 
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Nov 17, 05
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I have ableton live installed on my computer... but I have yet to experiment with it, I have to set up my keyboard first. And to be honest I don't even know how to do that =P. I'm a bit lazy with it.. but once I get my butt in gear I'll get it done. Kevin wants me to try and learn myself without me asking him questions.. which is a good thing because I will learn from my mistakes. But the thing is.. I don't want to produce songs I just want to be able to bang out some drum loops, baselines, and lay down some chords... all to help me with singing. Singing is my primary focus. I find it easier to write songs (singing) when I have a beat with chord progressions, and key changes.
I think after watching Kevin write songs with different programs (mainly with cubase sx3).. Ableton Live is a good place to start out learning... it's fairly straight forward. But before I do all this.. I want to take some piano lessons first. I'm pretty familiar with a lot of the language that goes along with production.. but that's about it... for now anyways.
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Nov 17, 05
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Where to start...
Well illy you may be proud to know that my next goal is to start producing. Im currently surching the market for a suitable computer and build on the rest asap. Orriginaly I would of never thought I would of bothered unless I dug out $12,000+ for sound engineering school or became a super star and had too. However seeing so many local dj's (male or female) play their own tunes has inspired me soo much to finaly go for it and make it happen. I think most females just arnt risk takers like guys and willing to make such an expencive commitment and time to make a dream happen. However Ive come to realize if I want to go further I have to do more than just dj and promote. Technical wise... im very intrested, but have a harder time picking it up since I havnt played video games since I was 12. I hate to admit, but I find guys who try to teach me get a little impacient sometimes... because I really need that step by step instruction when it comes to complicated tech/math stuff. I want to learn, but the only ppl I know are males and sometimes a guy inviting me over to learn or work on somthing might be an invitation for somthing else and feels ackward :( (wich is rare) However if it's not that then I notice guys like to work with guys. I feel like im spoiling the party with my female presence or have a harder time meshing in with the male lingo. As for the male ego... im trying to teach myself how to work with it... because it will never go away :p Last edited by Ree Fresh; Nov 17, 05 at 08:44 PM.
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thatll keep you happy for a long time , then if you feel like you like it/ good at it, go into soundboards and stuff
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I have had alot of guy friends offer to burn programs and give advice on cheeper equipment. However... you still need the computer, the synth, the cables, etc etc. Ive saved up ALOT to up grade enough to properly start producing. Saving up for decks and records is one thing... adding on production equpment is a whole lot more. I think alot of girls just arnt that intrested in spluging on high tech stuff?
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Nov 18, 05
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there was mirka who was producing stuff..... until she moved to calgary
i recently got down the basics of cubase, but just dont have the time to do anything serious. hopefully soon i'll have the time to go fck around with it and do something serious
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Nov 18, 05
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i have been recently just been playing around trying to make some tunes
wouldn't really call myself a producer! but it's fun - when i get one done i will post on here and get some feedback i hear songs that are so catchy and they really inspire me to try and make my own, no blockbusters yet but i have lots of ideas! we just moved so the decks are not yet set up, but bassline! is gonna teach me how to spin, yay ill-esha>> i have never met you, or seen any of your sets, but have heard a lot about you! i would love to talk to you sometime about what you do and stuff, you sound like a cool chickie!!
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Nov 18, 05
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I'm so stoked that so many of you are actually interested! I would like to invite any of you over sometime for a basic get-started lesson, some mic technique coaching (if singing is what you're into)... some theory.. whatever you want. Maybe we can make it a twisted girls' night ;)
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Nov 18, 05
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Oooo, sounds good Illy.
Once I move back to Van I am gonna start learning how to spin, maybe even delve deeper into it who knows. I love music. :) Oh yeah, and I sing- or at least I used to, not sure if I'm any good anymore. lol
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Nov 18, 05
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good point about the male ego bit. music is alllll about ego. men are alll about ego. the women that ive met have an evan bigger ego to supercede all tha male ego that dominates an ego driven buisness.
ego is good.ego drives you. its kinda like gordon geckos speech on greed(wall street) ego is good like greed is good. it drives and pushes us forward. definatly need more women engineers/producers. one of my all time fav engineers is in fact a woman. Sylvia massey. She did alot of tools stuff. when a girl gets as excited as me about avalon mic pres, or 'pumping' a vintage URIE on your genelec 5.1 system whilst mixing down to "2....thats something special.
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Nov 18, 05
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Im more than down... and would be more than willing to learn anything you can teach or help out with :)
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Nov 18, 05
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Yet there are diffrent kinds of egos. Having self convidence and being able to sell your self in a possitive way is deffinently a good ego. Thinking that your the shit and can get away with treating others like crap or less than you is a bad ego. When I was very young I use to be the only girl who played hockey with the boys. I loved it and did quite well, but my mother always told me that I had to be better than the boys to be concidered equal to them. Face it... a girl's ego doesnt feel threatend if a guy beats her in somthing. However a guy's ego will feel extreamly threatend and ashamed if hes beaten by a girl. Last edited by Ree Fresh; Nov 18, 05 at 02:52 AM.
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Nov 18, 05
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And revolver.. I'm DAMN excited about things like that! Matter of fact, we've been renting an Avalon pre these last few weeks and nobody I know has seen me since.... I've basically been frantically re-recording every vocal I've written, because for every new piece of audio, there's now a non-Avalon-recorded one that sounds like it was done through a toilet paper tube in comparison and it's not like I don't have a decent gear collection. MMM AVALON! 
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Nov 18, 05
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Faculty of 54 people.. where do you work, EA?
Well, I'm not really posing the question as to why more women aren't making it in the music industry (that's a different topic, we can discuss if you like ;P ). I'm just wondering why more girls aren't making beats, period. I suppose women are generally less technical than men. I will admit, there is a difference in the way my (male) studio partner and I look at things. When we rent a piece of gear, he goes bananas at its bells and whistles (tech specs) and I go crazy for the results. I know my technology, I know that a tube preamp emphasizes harmonics and that's why it makes my voice sound better, but I just want to use it, not read the manual. My partner reads manuals for fun. Me, when I read music production articles, they tend to be about mixing/recording techniques, not about pieces of gear. I won't be the laptop musician that spends 20 minutes wanking a hi-pass filter over their painstakingly crafted mid-level-synth patch, I'm more like the freak that tweaks knobs while they're playing a bassline or dances their fingertips over an effects pad to filter the vocals they're singing. More tactile and hands-on.. a woman, I guess! But music production is such an amazing progression and evolution as a DJ, there is nothing like playing your own music. Don't get me wrong, tech is fun too ladies! Soldering is fun! Soldering circuits was my favourite unit in school - of course, being a woman, I soldered a heart out of electrical cable and took it home and gave it to my boyfriend. Haha.
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Nov 18, 05
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I'd sketch this whole thing back and smack it on 'traditions'. I don't believe that guys are more technical than the ladies just because they have a penis and a whole whack load of testosterone. Nah. I'd argue that these technicalities for women are generally not (err.. have not been) traditional. Girls were never fixing old radio's while growing up, simply cause she'd be frowned upon. But the boys would be encouraged. I've seen this (maybe in other forms or derivatives). I know all you reading this are thinking that you'd be much more open-minded, and would encourage your daughters to shove her hand up that elect plug. But it's weird and ickey. Parents would worry that their daughters are being "tom-boys", the same way they'd be worried of their sons' cooking habits. It's just not adapted. why? i have not a fucking clue, but it just is. Why do you wash your ass after you shampoo? why not wash it before you shampoo? CAUSE IT'S WEIRD (hypothetically speaking, duh). Anyways, the reason you'd see a guy munching on gear manuals is cause he's been doing it since he was 5, and everyone aplauded him. that thing about him is psychologically accepted, and enforced. but fuck all this. girls don't want to produce. cause giiiiiiiirlllsss jussssttt wannnnaaa havvvveee funnnn.
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Nov 18, 05
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oh Kyle you have one? you lucky bitch. i'm just renting one. how do you afford it? you must be married to ivana trump or something.
"Parents would worry that their daughters are being "tom-boys", the same way they'd be worried of their sons' cooking habits." Yeah, I guess my parents were weird that way. They refused to buy me anything pink, and encouraged me when at the age of 7 I was bored with kids books and started reading Jung and Carlos Castaneda. I was never a totally mechanic fix-it person, but I did filmmaking and camera technique courses. I do think that parents are changing, look at our generation.. so maybe the new baby boom will grow up a little more progressive.
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Nov 18, 05
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yea, i'd say that women are generally socialized to consider technical stuff less as professions or hobbies. I've been working in the tech sector for the last 6 years and it's still like 95% male with that 5% of women in the companies still only doing things like HR, art, or design. It's not that women aren't capable, it's just that society is still a very patriarchal place and women and men still believe that certain roles are inherient for specific genders.
rather sad really... hopefully it'll get better...
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