"AGRO" DnBers

[mapleleaf4ever]

Can't we all just get along? :p

^^^

Plur :214:

[B.Traits]

SEAN, I DO KNOW YOU!!! and if i were to see you at a DNB event i would have said hi.

you have one of those unforgetable faces remember..........

So if you dont go out and actually socialize with these DNBers than why are you being so judgmental!!!!!

How can you be sure these ppl are fake, you dont even know them!

if were going to talk shit about "Agro DNBERs" in the Drum n bass scene, then can i mention how i love the disgusting shirtless juice monkeys or um "Trancers" that are infesting these trance raves.........

CMON PPL THEY ARE MUCH WORSE

[B.Traits]

Originally Posted by TrixX

i do agree that there is a certain attitude in the dnb scene! but then again i don't think its fair to compare a house show with bar stars to a bunch of skate/breakers/dnb heads. were talking about two completely different groups of people! the mentality between the two for the most part are completely different. i admit i am generalizing here!!

its also not fair to say well "so and so is a really nice person". so if someones a bitch to someone they don't know and is nice to their friends does that make them a good person in general??? bri i'm not saying that your friends aren't nice to people they don't know(they're all really nice to me :) ) but who's to say how they interact with people that they aren't directly introduced to from a friend. i've brought friends out a few times to dnb shows and they all have strongly stated that it is VERY clique. whether we mean to be that way or not........i've heard it a million times

ok forget what i said, were all agro assholes here.
im not even going to reply anymore.

[~god~]

Originally Posted by B.Traits

SEAN, I DO KNOW YOU!!! and if i were to see you at a DNB event i would have said hi.

you have one of those unforgetable faces remember..........

that's just freaky

Originally Posted by B.Traits

So if you dont go out and actually socialize with these DNBers than why are you being so judgmental!!!!!

How can you be sure these ppl are fake, you dont even know them!

if were going to talk shit about "Agro DNBERs" in the Drum n bass scene, then can i mention how i love the disgusting shirtless juice monkeys or um "Trancers" that are infesting these trance raves.........

CMON PPL THEY ARE MUCH WORSE

I have many friends who are DnB fans, or Junglists. you don't have to go to to every event to see them. And yes, they are all really nice people (which is why we're friends).
The fakers I talk about are the ones that change overnight. and let's not pretend like no such people exist... I can think of MANY people for this one. It doesn't say anything bad for DnB. And i wasn't talking about "Agro DnBers in the DnB scene". I was OBVIOUSLY talking about the DnB heads in the country scene. good point though!

the "trancers" are just as bad. I'm sure all the trance fans hate them just as much.

[B.Traits]

It does say alot about our scene tho... a large part of it must be fake.
i feel like im standing up for somthing, and rightnow im actually feeling agro for once.
well sean you brought it out of me.

FUCK THIS DNB SCENE I GIVE UP

[Felix]

^^ MUCH MUCH worse
*edit, for Bri's post on muscle shirt grease monkeys

But I still agree that the jungle scene is very clique'y and alot of the people "seem" to be a little offstandish untill you get to know them.

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by B.Traits

ok forget what i said, were all agro assholes here.
im not even going to reply anymore.

bahahaha, no need to get angry bri! soooo NOT what i said at all! some people are intimidated by atitude........and we have it! whether someone wants to view it as a negetive thing, that's their own opinion! i personally think that being proud of something and incorporating it into your life is not negetive. some people take it too far. whether its dnb, trance, hiphop, its everywhere!

its not fair to single out dnb in general! i only used my example of bringing friends to dnb shows 'cause those are the shows i go to. i'm sure many of them would think the same of house or hiphop shows! i'm soooo NOT hating on our scene!

i think you're trying to defend dnb as a whole, that's not what GOD is talking about!

[~god~]

Originally Posted by B.Traits

It does say alot about our scene tho... a large part of it must be fake.
i feel like im standing up for somthing, and rightnow im actually feeling agro for once.
well sean you brought it out of me.

FUCK THIS DNB SCENE I GIVE UP

naw. i just don't think we were on the same line.

DnB has a great scene. everyone knows that. I've been to a dozen DnB parties, and they've all been good times.
It's true that they're filled with fakers, but there are many nice and sophisticated people in there that make up for them. And the vibe is pretty good!

And about the scene not being all that big.. isn't that a thrill itself? I may be wrong here, but DnB sounds so much better to me if there is that small/underground feel to it.

[Felix]

yah I don't think ~g~'s post was about hating on the dnb scene at all, but the one's who take themselves waaay to serious and you know they really are just fucking white people from BC canada. That can be in any scene at all, it's just that the agro dnb heads of the "rave scene" are the ones that do ussually stand out more in the "rave scene" as being try hard wannabe's, alot like wiggers. But that's not everyone in the scene at all, there are tonnes of nice/cool/kind/fun etc people into drum and bass and jungle, if there wasn't then the jungle scene would never woulda gotten as big as it has and woulda died years ago before it made it's way outa the sketchy tek'd out back rooms of parties.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Felix

alot of the people "seem" to be a little offstandish untill you get to know them.

I've been like that to a lot of people that I don't know since I was in Elementary School. :p

[B.Traits]

sure its underground in BC,
but ive seen some crazy shit where it is just as hot as the top 40 donky music is here.
young kids like 9 yrs old that know the words to "Rock your body" by Zinc.
best experience ever.

[TrixX]

i see what you're saying about the whole underground feel GOD, but i agree with bri that it would be such an amazing thing to see our scene grow to the point she's talking about. that's what we're working for here!

[Felix]

^ yes! I wish!

where is that? in the UK right

North America is too caught up in it's hip hop and booty G thugs to fully accept DnB right now, but I have noticed the beat speeding up and getting awful close to DnB in a few top 40's lately. Lets keep hoping.

[B.Traits]

Estonia, Russia, Finland.


Estonia is where i met the most amazing people, and young kids ask for autographs for fuck sake!!!
Russia is the most insane, they are crazy about DnB there, its almost scary.

Vancouver doesnt even gain that potential. must be too many posts like this :P

[~god~]

Originally Posted by TrixX

i see what you're saying about the whole underground feel GOD, but i agree with bri that it would be such an amazing thing to see our scene grow to the point she's talking about. that's what we're working for here!

I hear that. and i'm all for it. It'd be phat to hear DnB in main rooms. I've personally never experienced such thing.

[~god~]

Originally Posted by B.Traits

Estonia, Russia, Finland.


Estonia is where i met the most amazing people, and young kids ask for autographs for fuck sake!!!
Russia is the most insane, they are crazy about DnB there, its almost scary.

yeaaah Russia's huge on the electronic scene in general.
I was reading about DJ Aligator's gig there a while back. He spins Techno (the cheesy kind).. and 25000 people went to see him!

[TrixX]

Originally Posted by ~god~

I hear that. and i'm all for it. It'd be phat to hear DnB in main rooms. I've personally never experienced such thing.

silverwaters has put dnb headliners on main stage at outdoor parties......we just need some more promotors to follow suit.

the potential is out there...........

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by ~god~

And about the scene not being all that big.. isn't that a thrill itself? I may be wrong here, but DnB sounds so much better to me if there is that small/underground feel to it.

yes you are wrong.

by talking to a lot of the figure heads in the scene. The more heads at shows the better. small turnouts just suck for many reasons.

[ppcock]

the neo nazi's of electronic.

[dabbler]

@ god, you can't just put " 'ers' " at the end of a word, and then assume you know everything about it
(tho i appreciate the irony in telling 'god' he doesn't know everything lol)



i know (or have at least met) pretty much everyone IN the scene (as in people who come out all the time, support, dj, buy cd's, dance their ass off, throw shows, or anything else along those lines) and i have only met a VERY small number of people who i would say are 'faking' anything. you're right, no one is 'born' a junglist (or DnB'er if you really have to use that word) but we all choose to be a part of the scene cause it's what we love. fakers usually show up twice, and are never seen from again, anyone who keeps the jungle alive, is real enough for me.
As to our scene being 'clique-ish', that's total bullshit.
Anyone who has recently gotten into the scene can attest to how welcomed they were (unless they were those fakers you are referring to) all of my friends, and pretty much everyone i know who is involved in DnB in this city, are really great people. we support anyone who supports us, and VERY LITERALLY, what you get out of the scene, is what you put into it.

DnB has this rep for being dark/agro, and i would have to agree that is possible in other cities, but BECAUSE our scene here is so underground, we can't afford to scare people away (tho some people in this thread do enjoy stealing glowsticks, but that has nothing to do with just junglists)

i'm gonna have to re read the thread now to see if i forgot to adress anything

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by mofo-x

I do know the elitist-types you're talking about that feel the need to trash on everything but dnb (hell, I used to be one myself) but people grow out of that sooner or later.

personally i think those "elitist types" are NOT part of the scene
seriously, i can think of a few examples for people who act like that, and they really have nothing to do with the Dnb scene in vancouver, unless you are just talking about the sketchy raves.
i suppose i may come off like that sometimes (especially in regards to trance lol)
but anyone who knows me, knows it's pretty much all in fun. i may hate the trance that is made now, but i used to love it when i got into partying (tho anyone has to admit, it was WAY different in 96)
everyone goes through phases, this time last year i hated ragga jungle, now i find myself making ragga style tunes. (i also used to despise Bob Marley)
but like terence said, things change as you grow up

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

its just music, its NOT a lifestyle.

for a lot of us, jungle IS a lifestyle, as well as a world wide community, and a scene that far surpasses just a form of music. not all genres of music (electronic genre's especially) can say that.

Originally Posted by ~god~

That's just plain stupid.
Firstly, you don't even know me. how would you know if I'm there or not?

second of all, even if you did know me, you wouldn't see me there. I don't really go out to DnB events. but did i NOT just mention that DnB is not my genre of choice?

you just proved her right with that btw

Originally Posted by ~god~

The people who tip me off are the ones who go all the way & go through a phase/personality change as soon as they start listening to DnB, or become "junglists". I've seen this, and I bet almost all of you have as well. Your valid arguement would be that these people are fakers, and not even true DnB fans, and are just leeching from the scene.

uhhh, everyone has to start somewhere, true i have worn all camo for a long time in my life, and yes, i shave my head, so i suppose i look somewhat like a "junglist" (and i like to think of myself as one) so does that mean i'm faking?

Originally Posted by ~god~

I did not state anywhere that i know everything about DnB. DnB isn't even my genre of choice! however, I did state that I love it, and I really do enjoy the music. And I don't think that you need a masters degree in DnB to know that offending people doesn't (err.. SHOULDN'T) have anything to do with the music.

if it isn't your genre of choice, then why do you claim you are right? how would you know? you even admitted to not ever coming out, so what experience do you have to base your opinions on? a few nights? and you are offending people BECAUSE of the music, this whole thread has EVRYTHING to do with the music, so that last line doesn't really make any sense either



i realize i'm nitpicking your arguement a little, not trying to be bitchy, I just want to prove you wrong :)

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by ~god~

that's just freaky



The fakers I talk about are the ones that change overnight. and let's not pretend like no such people exist... I can think of MANY people for this one. It doesn't say anything bad for DnB. And i wasn't talking about "Agro DnBers in the DnB scene". I was OBVIOUSLY talking about the DnB heads in the country scene. good point though!

the "trancers" are just as bad. I'm sure all the trance fans hate them just as much.

No this point I have to agree on. Why because even on this board there's a decent chunk of kids I've known who went straight from trance heads to key word here : ONLY JUNGLE listening ravers. Who won't even call themselves ravers.

I think he is trying to hit that point. Not the real deal people who listen to Dnb or real time junglists cause for the most part they are nice people I know alot of them I'm friends with.

Its the people who go straight from one scene into jungle and think the rest of the world is out to get them, and jungle is everything and raves are gay even though I just started going etc...

[KenJi]

but you know what this thread is kinda pointless cause this discussion will always come up and its basically just a thread of people argueing back and forth.

though kinda amusing

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by KenJi

No this point I have to agree on. Why because even on this board there's a decent chunk of kids I've known who went straight from trance heads to key word here : ONLY JUNGLE listening ravers. Who won't even call themselves ravers.

I think he is trying to hit that point. Not the real deal people who listen to Dnb or real time junglists cause for the most part they are nice people I know alot of them I'm friends with.

Its the people who go straight from one scene into jungle and think the rest of the world is out to get them, and jungle is everything and raves are gay even though I just started going etc...

see only people who have never had the jungle bug bite them, would think that's a problem.

very serious here.... when you like jungle, it fucking GRABS YOU. i honestly believe in what i have at the bottom of my signature. for the true junglists, there is nothing better, and when you discover jungle (or when it discovers you ;) ) you can't do anything else but get involved.