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Oct 15, 04
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I mentioned it earlier in this thread that the DnB heads in the city, (most of them) will not go to "raves" but instead would rather check out nights like Automatics where they can drink and listen to DnB as Carrie mentioned. Vancouver is more of a Trance/Hard House town that tends to pull more of the masses. It is safe to say that without it, we couldn't bring half the House, Breaks and DnB headliners you have already seen in Vancouver. DnB at a rave rarely pays for itself unfortunately. 
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In response to meth0dical...
I understand your point of view but you guys already have 2 trance dj's spinin and since Rank 1 has been here already. In theory I would cancel him. I was just tryin to even it out so the dnb head would get their fix, it would only be fair woudn't it?! Hence to my last post I mentioned "economics" of it and I understand and agree with Carrie's point that trance djs do bring in the crowds and the "bling bling" It's a business I understand; It's all about John A McDonalds! And yes carrie I also *heart* DnB in clubs rather than raves but it will also be nice once in awhile to here some DnB on louder system and @ party. Anywayz, I don't think I will win this argument cause theres like 342 dnb fans vs 4542305482945298298542 trance fans. errrr...to quote spock "the needs(wants) of many outweigh the needs(wants) of the few" On a side note, I started to chuckle cause this reminded me of my philosophy class. How much trance disappointment vs how much dnb disappointment, is kinda sounding like utilitarianism argument without the dnb and trance part. Last edited by phatisphat; Oct 15, 04 at 02:05 AM.
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Trust me phat, we are not throwing Spooky to make the "bling." If that were the case, we would have cained a LOT more than just two headliners. We are bringing SIX major names to a two room show -- something that has NEVER been done in Vancouver. Clearly we are not going to make money and nor do we want to. We would be happy with breaking even.
Cheers.
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^^^yah no doubt...no one likes to lose money
thank god for Freaknight Whooo Hooo! (sorry Kraig for mentioning freaknight) I guess I'll attend Freaknight to get my DnB only if I can get one of my friends to go and I'll still be able get my Lisa Lashes fix at spooky :c-tard:
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Ah the endless battle of breaking even........People don't seem to realize that the majority of partys end up rarely making money. I think in 10 years of working on and producing partys with various promoters in North America very rarely does anyone ever make the kind of money off a party people think they do. I knew a Promoter that threw 12 parties one year and his net profit overall was about four grand. He made great money on two parties and lost on all the others. Twas then that he started looking at the party scene as a buissness and not as a fun thing to do. He's now one of the top promoters in Florida and doing really well. He's instituted the ground work for good ethics in the cities he works with and the other promoters in the various regions the scene as a whole is doing really well.
People keep in mind that Vancouver in the grand scheme of things is a small market and only has so much buying power. Promoters have to be very careful in this city cause one mistake can cost you 10's of thousands of dollars. Not the $50 spent on a ticket. I know that that money mean alot ot you and the many people buying tickets for such events but you have to maintain a certain level of understanding otherwise one day there will be no promoters in this city and hence no shows. Try and understand the situation that the promoters and placed in and rationalize your comments based on placing yourself in their shoes with your money on the line! Last edited by G-Style; Oct 15, 04 at 02:21 AM.
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I understand your point of view but you guys already have 2 trance dj's spinin and since Rank 1 has been here already. In theory I would cancel him. I was just tryin to even it out so the dnb head would get their fix, it would only be fair woudn't it?! [quote] In theory it would work, but by your way of thinking, your would simply replace one dj with another. You can't simply replace a trance headliner with a dnb headliner and expect him to play on the same stage. Yes the dnb heads will be there front and center but the other 60 or 70% of people who come to these shows exclusively for trance/hard house, will be very put off. I, myself, like a lot of breaks and house aswell but a lot of people, especially the older asian crowd (excuse me for generalizing) come only for the trance and as has been stated previously thats where alot of the money is generated, so it is this crowd that has to be kept happy. You COULD put the dnb headliner in the second room, but then you eliminate still more locals from the lineup. As it is, Twisted has done their best to bring in as many locals as possible for this show under the circumstances, often by getting them to vs eachother to make room for more locals. There just isn't any room left in the lineup for a dnb headliner, unfortunately, and like Kraig said it wouldn't be cost effective in any case. Sure Twisted could throw another few headliners in the mix but not without cutting the existing headliners sets down to an hour, which again isn't very cost effective. Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse, but that's just the way I see the situation. As it is, Twisted has done a great job in making the best of a less than perfect situation. Dnb or no, this party will have an awesome vibe and isn't that what counts?
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From my oppinion its all about promoters! if promoters put a great show, guarnteed people will come back to their parties...
but in cases when one thing is said , and another thing is done, people get very dissapointed, and just wont go to their shows anymore. and all this is just a great opportunity for new or other promoters to throw better/new or other parties, and be more successful! all they have to do is just prove and show to people. trance seen is getting very borring, and the only reason its so big, its because thats all people see at raves. we need to push a lot harder on d n b and/or breaks, and do more club nights, bring big headliners here, and let people experience this great music. I mean, there are SOO MANY great djs in this world, that people even havnt heard of yet.but we dont see them very much at parties, since its all about trance! there are tons of people that love d n b and breaks, 2 step or speed garage! look at toronto's seen, its crazy, no one listens to trance there. d n b is like the shit there.. trance is soo old... go to any club in europe, 85% of clubs play breaks, house, d n b, 2 step and speed garage... look at top 10 list at radio stations in europ, no trance is popular there AT ALL. trance was very popular in 1997-2000. trance is dying! altough, i have to admit, that i do love some of the old stuff...i am sure many others do. everyone needs to give a change and just listen to this awesome upbeat music! cheers guys, i hope many of you feel same way! Last edited by alla; Oct 15, 04 at 03:02 AM.
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didnt look like sonar lost money on dieslboy to me! and he isnt from europe, and there were LOTS of peeps last friday! its all about trying and putting effort in. no one seems to put enough effort in our parties anymore.. our seen is gettin so weak. i remmeber parties were the shit 4-5 years ago... whats happenning? everything is possible! remember that!
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Oct 15, 04
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K, part of doing business is predicting future demands. A business can't sell the same product forever. (that's why most companies have an R&D department... to predict future needs of their customers, or to tap into other lucrative markets). If companies don't do this, they run in danger of being put out of business to companies that predicted the popularity of a new trend. This happened again and again and *again* in business, do some research and look for yourself. I *do* believe that trance is slowly fading, and that dnb and breaks are gaining in popularity. But whatever, its not my business...
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There are lots of changes going on in this scene. And I mean lots! But as of right now October 2004 in Vancouver you can not replace Trance with DNB and expect to have a successful event. It'll just not happen. That's not saying that in a couple of years this ownt change. Staying on the pulse of the community is key to any successful promoter but that's exactly it staying on whats hot right NOW! Personally I'm kinda sick of trance. Yeah I said it. I've heard so much over the past 4 years it's just not got the same feel to it I once loved but with that said it is still 75% of what an audience wants to hear. I do believe twisted did place a DNB headliner on one of their main stages once and it didn't work out so well. Maybe it'll be worth another try sometime in the new year but with the "Competition" that's going on right now promoters are not a liberty to take on any additional risks to their events no matter how big or small. I read recently that Raves "worldwide" attendance is down almost 40% from 4 years ago while live "Rock" band attnedances are up almost 30% from 4 years ago. The music industry and the listening audience(s) change and fluctuate throughout the years. The trick with Vancouver is to take advantage of the great parties you have and to stop focusing on the things that aren't presented. In time the rave scene will rebound again and we will have another era of people that will bring back the insane days of a few years ago. People spend way too much time complaining about the Dj's that aren't bought in rather than apprecaiting the talent that is comming in. KEEP THE SCENE ALIVE!
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So stop rambling dumb, pointless shit.
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