CDJ 800 vs CDJ 400

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Also, I'm still completely flabbergasted at why someone would want to use CDJs with Torq/Serato.

some people prefer the flexibility of having one's entire library available without having to sort through 1000s of CDs, but prefer the feel of mixing on jog wheels. I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this...

You have to remember that a lot of newer school DJs starting on CDJs and not vinyl.

[hollis]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Worst. Advice. Evar.




Also, I'm still completely flabbergasted at why someone would want to use CDJs with Torq/Serato.

Why not? Easy access to music, search functions, wave views, effects, no risk of scratched CD's. I can see the attraction.

[ebbomega]

I dunno. It just seems more points of failure being introduced just so that you have to carry a laptop instead of a CD wallet.

KISS.

[ppcock]

Oh, i wouldnt bring torq out to a gig.

I'd deff bring burnt cd's.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I dunno. It just seems more points of failure being introduced just so that you have to carry a laptop instead of a CD wallet.

KISS.

some people need more flexibility in tracks or prefer the ease of use of searching through a database for their gigs. I can understand that if you were a standard one-genre/one-bpm EDM dj that generally played an hour to 2hour sets and only needed about 100 tunes in your wallet, bringing a DVS would be pointless, but for some who need to play 5-6 hour sets, runs through 40+ tracks an hour and/or are never sure of the exact makeup of the party and want more diversity, a DVS is a godsend.

Granted, most people would use Serato which is generally way more stable than the competition.

[ppcock]

Another bonus for bringing some sort of software to a gig is to cross genre, totally beats skimming through CD's.
So switching from hard trance to goa is extremely easy.

and the fact you can listen to the track prior to mixing, without switching discs/records is retardedly awesome.

[inside]

[quote=ebbomega;2006255]Worst. Advice. Evar.
QUOTE]

I'm quoting Martin Krafty on that one.

[ebbomega]

Doesn't change anything.

Just because something has a higher price tag on it doesn't mean it's more useful, better designed or even more expensive to manufacture.

See: $1000 "I am rich" iPhone app.

[ppcock]

Game
Set
Match

Excellent reply Dave.

[ppcock]

watch bitches!

CDJ-400 Demo by DJ Resource - DJsounds, a Vlog for DJs - by Pioneer Pro DJ

[inside]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Doesn't change anything.

Just because something has a higher price tag on it doesn't mean it's more useful, better designed or even more expensive to manufacture.

See: $1000 "I am rich" iPhone app.

With dj gear, and pro audio equipment, a higher price tag usualy reflects quality of the product. Yes somtimes cheap stuff can be usefull, and most importantly cost effective.

I'm looking forward to getting 4 Behringer BCF2000 (COMPUTER BASED RECORDING - CONTROLLERS - B-CONTROL FADER BCF2000 : Total Recall USB/MIDI Controller Desk with 8 Motorized Faders) for my DAW, because It is what I can afford at the moment (or many moments from now, lol). They currently retail for $219.99 each so for what I want (32 channels of midi fader control, with out any menu digging), my bill is going to be $879.96 before taxes. Now there is another product I've looked at that looks very impressive, and does the same features that the BCF2000 has plus more, and gasp, it's freakin' expensive! Check out the Euphonix MC Mix Euphonix :: MC MIx. That's a far superior product compared to the Behringer, the price of the MC Mix is going for about a grand per unit. So if I want to get the same setup it's going to be 4 grand before taxes (yikes!). The MC mix is a much better build, I bet it will last a very long time, and it's very next gen as far as midi control goes, who the fuck would think to send and recive midi through and ethernet port?

Okay, so picking on Behringer is pretty easy (Daftpunk does use those controllers though). Last example, cause I tell you what It takes way to long to respond to this stuff.

Now up Sennheiser HD 25's (Sennheiser Electronic - HD 25-1 II) versus Pioneer's HDJ-1000 (Pioneer USA - Accessories) I'm not going to go too much in depth except for what I know from trying both out. The HDJ-1000 build is junk, they distort when driven (your head will blow up before the HD 25's do!), they are not flat so there is no chance of dual use if your into producing when you can't have your monitors on. Wait for it... wait for it... The Hd25's are more expensive!!!

The general rule with pro audio, and dj gear... The more expensive it is; the better it is. There is a reason why I own Yamaha monitors over Adams.

As far as these decks go. Just get the 800's so you can go back and forth and not worry about using a different deck, that will be a bit different to use (that jog wheel is my concern) then what you would be playing out at a show (1000's). In all honesty, who would want to just use somthing just in the bedroom. If I had no ambition of getting out of the bedroom and doing what I want to do with my music, I would have given up long ago... Countless hours in front of a screen, or decks with not much of a social life seems to be bit of a waste. Tell you the truth; it would be much easier to be just a regular dude, working, working out, spending money on pimping a ride, and chasing women. Show some ambition and get the proper gear!!!

P.S. doing dance music is still fun! but it's a big commitment if you want to do it right!

[inside]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

go ahead and get an 800 and a 400 with different jog sizes and enjoy how much it will fuck you up.

amen brother!

[hollis]

Hey..I'm not a hater but, if you can't mix using different size jog wheels or different types of CDJ's, then you have issues. God forbid you end up at a club that has Denon's when you show up, Just tell the club "sorry, I can't play here, have a good night". That should work out for you.

[Phrenetic]

Its about continuity of gear. If you have a Belt driven stanton shit wheel and a Tech 1200 than that would def throw you off no?

and fuck denons

[ppcock]

my first cdj's were denons and I loved them, so dont hate.

[hollis]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

Its about continuity of gear. If you have a Belt driven stanton shit wheel and a Tech 1200 than that would def throw you off no?

and fuck denons

Answer; No, it wouldn't. If i were to run into this I would just use the pitch slider to jog forward or backward and never touch the platter, It's a skill that is way under used and I highly recommend learning it.

It doesn't matter if you like Denon's or not, bottom line is, some clubs have them and most peeps are haters cause they can't use them. All I am saying is that it's a good idea to be well versed on all equipment because you never know what you might run into when your playing out.

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by inside

With dj gear, and pro audio equipment, a higher price tag usualy reflects quality of the product. Yes somtimes cheap stuff can be usefull, and most importantly cost effective.

I'm looking forward to getting 4 Behringer BCF2000 (COMPUTER BASED RECORDING - CONTROLLERS - B-CONTROL FADER BCF2000 : Total Recall USB/MIDI Controller Desk with 8 Motorized Faders) for my DAW, because It is what I can afford at the moment (or many moments from now, lol). They currently retail for $219.99 each so for what I want (32 channels of midi fader control, with out any menu digging), my bill is going to be $879.96 before taxes. Now there is another product I've looked at that looks very impressive, and does the same features that the BCF2000 has plus more, and gasp, it's freakin' expensive! Check out the Euphonix MC Mix Euphonix :: MC MIx. That's a far superior product compared to the Behringer, the price of the MC Mix is going for about a grand per unit. So if I want to get the same setup it's going to be 4 grand before taxes (yikes!). The MC mix is a much better build, I bet it will last a very long time, and it's very next gen as far as midi control goes, who the fuck would think to send and recive midi through and ethernet port?

Okay, so picking on Behringer is pretty easy (Daftpunk does use those controllers though). Last example, cause I tell you what It takes way to long to respond to this stuff.

Now up Sennheiser HD 25's (Sennheiser Electronic - HD 25-1 II) versus Pioneer's HDJ-1000 (Pioneer USA - Accessories) I'm not going to go too much in depth except for what I know from trying both out. The HDJ-1000 build is junk, they distort when driven (your head will blow up before the HD 25's do!), they are not flat so there is no chance of dual use if your into producing when you can't have your monitors on. Wait for it... wait for it... The Hd25's are more expensive!!!

The general rule with pro audio, and dj gear... The more expensive it is; the better it is. There is a reason why I own Yamaha monitors over Adams.

As far as these decks go. Just get the 800's so you can go back and forth and not worry about using a different deck, that will be a bit different to use (that jog wheel is my concern) then what you would be playing out at a show (1000's). In all honesty, who would want to just use somthing just in the bedroom. If I had no ambition of getting out of the bedroom and doing what I want to do with my music, I would have given up long ago... Countless hours in front of a screen, or decks with not much of a social life seems to be bit of a waste. Tell you the truth; it would be much easier to be just a regular dude, working, working out, spending money on pimping a ride, and chasing women. Show some ambition and get the proper gear!!!

P.S. doing dance music is still fun! but it's a big commitment if you want to do it right!

the cool thing about the BCF's/BCR's is that you can scale them side by side and add them as you need more channels with midi so there is only one to USB. and they seem to work well this way and were built for doing this.

this weekend im gonna pick up a BCR and a 61 key keyboard + stand.

But If i were you I would Def. look into getting a dual core processor for ableton as it works best multithreading (most all production software is switching over to this). get some ram too!

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by hollis

Answer; No, it wouldn't. If i were to run into this I would just use the pitch slider to jog forward or backward and never touch the platter, It's a skill that is way under used and I highly recommend learning it.

its called riding the pitch. and yes i know

edit: also you should learn the terminology of a mixing technique before you assume I dont know it/tell me to learn it.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by hollis

Answer; No, it wouldn't. If i were to run into this I would just use the pitch slider to jog forward or backward and never touch the platter, It's a skill that is way under used and I highly recommend learning it.

It doesn't matter if you like Denon's or not, bottom line is, some clubs have them and most peeps are haters cause they can't use them. All I am saying is that it's a good idea to be well versed on all equipment because you never know what you might run into when your playing out.

ffft.

just because you can do it on shit equipment doesn't mean you wouldn't prefer good (or in this case, matching) equipment.

[hollis]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

ffft.

just because you can do it on shit equipment doesn't mean you wouldn't prefer good (or in this case, matching) equipment.

Of course i would prefer high end equipment I'm not insane :P, but peeps are stating that they are screwed if you don't have 800's or 1200's. I beg to differ. And we were originally talking about a CDJ400 witch is hardly shit equipment. I can't see how anyone can argue this.

[Phrenetic]

my argument is the continuity of gear is related to ones professionalism.

its my apparently wacky sentiment

[hollis]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

its called riding the pitch. and yes i know

edit: also you should learn the terminology of a mixing technique before you assume I dont know it/tell me to learn it.

LMAO!! Wow.

Listen, I'm hardly trying to come off as an ass. If I am, sorry, maybe I should change my wording. You on the other hand........

This is dumb.......

[Phrenetic]

am i missing something?

[hollis]

yeah. You're missing the Olympics.. Turn it on!! :P

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by hollis

Of course i would prefer high end equipment I'm not insane :P, but peeps are stating that they are screwed if you don't have 800's or 1200's. I beg to differ. And we were originally talking about a CDJ400 witch is hardly shit equipment. I can't see how anyone can argue this.

that's the whole point tho - just because I can mix on one numark and one technics doesn't mean I'd go out and buy one numark and one technics to work with at home. Unless you're touring non-stop, the setup you're going to use the most is the one at home - so why not have some continuity? I would suggest a pair of 400s or a pair of 800s not one of each.

No one is saying the 400s are shit - most are just saying that the 800 is better and that less because of features and more because it's a bit more time-tested.