Nov 21, 01
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K (Ketamine) is a white powder that is snorted. It is used as a veternary tranqulizer. This stuff is dangerous! To K-Hole you need a certain amount to get that out of body experience. Too little you don't feel the effects but it is now in your system and you can OD if you take more. Too much and you'll never feel anything again as you won't wake up. You are dead. I've never tried either, but from seeing the effects of K on girls that took it, it spooks the hell out of me. 
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Nov 21, 01
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as far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) its a salty tasting liquid, that you would take in teaspoon amounts, and its like one teaspoon is the equivalent of like 6 beers, or something like that? and yeah, its mostly dangerous, cuz people underestimate the amount and overdose? and isn't K a powder, and takes you on a out of body experience? and again remember, pity me, I'm the uneducated!
Myles
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Nov 21, 01
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MC Hammered, I'm sorry to inform you that K is not as dangerous as you think it is.
Well, I guess if you are as un-educated about drugs as many people in this society seem to be. But hey. That's the risk you take, if you are going to do a drug that you do not know SHIT about, including dosage, etc. GHB was fun, hey luke? But I just don't want to overdose/double dose, that would be too fucking hard core for me.
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Nov 21, 01
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okay... just to set the record straight... ketamine is NOT as dangerous as MC Hammered said it was.
The LD50 dose for it (a dose that kills half the animals its given to) is like 5 or 10 times what an anasthetic dose is. ie, if you need a gram of it to go out cold, and be in a complete K hole, then you will need like 10 grams to kill yourself with it. GHB gives kind of a drunkish feeling, although its more lovey like mdma. It's easy to OD on, make sure you're well educated on it before you try it, but in small to moderate ammounts it is actually good for your body. go to www.erowid.org for more info on it.
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Nov 21, 01
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actually claire... I wouldn't mind heavy dosing on GHB just once to see what it's like, test my limits, etc. under controlled conditions of course, ie at your house or my house, somewhere that I can go safely into a GHB coma for a little while and not have people freak out.
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Nov 22, 01
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As I stated, I have never taken either drug, nor do I plan to. I rather take a description to be worse than it is than to make it sound like it does wonders for your body and have some kid does because of it. Kid don't do research about the shit they are putting into their bodies. Drugs are dangerous and all I wanted to do was get that point across.
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Nov 22, 01
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MY comment/experience with G
Ok, so what I really don't understand is how people enjoy fuking with themselves with such a liquid cause of death pretty much!? My experience with G was literally HELL. And yes, I'm going to share it!
Ok, so I'm at my very first party! New to Vancouver and still quite nieve I didn't know any horror stories of raves & all the hidden dangers. No body thought to warn me to not trust strangers, and stuff like that. I had mono and my doctor told me to not push myself too hard. All night my guy friends I came with made sure I didn't do that. There was this guy that I met and we were hanging out all night. He chilled with my guy friends lots and they totally loved him. It was around 1:30am, and my water bottle was empty, I was exhausted and didn't want to deal with going to the washroom. The guy offered to go fill it up for me as he knew I had mono. Now SINCE he had been around me all night, with my guy buds, I trusted him. Seeing as how coming from small city, everyone knows everyone, I didn't think anything of his kind gesture. So he brings the water bottle to me, full and cold. I must have downed that thing in minutes. Now I did half a cap of e when I got there that turned out to be bunk. As we got them tested. So probably about an hour after drinking that water bottle, I start feeling funny. Which was odd because the e I did wasn't real. Next thing I know I feel just smashed, like I had been out drinking a 26 of Vodka all night. I was tripping out like you wouldn't believe, and I felt so fuzzy. I thought, wow maybe the e I got wasn't bunk. So this guy hung around, we danced, laughed and had a great time. Then around 6am, we said goodbye as he left to go home. I wandered back into the breaks room to find my buddies. Kind of excited that I met a cool guy. Had his number in my pocket. All of a sudden my vision shot...everything was spinning, I was literally spinning myself, I held my head, and my head dropped, I ran to the garbage can in the breaks room. Threw up my guts! The worst feeling in the world and I couldn't stop. All of a sudden I couldn't feel anything, my arms which were holding onto the sides of the garbage can flailed out to my sides, my legs gave out, and I dropped to the floor. ALL IN A MATTER OF SECONDS! The rest of this story I don't remember, but was recited by my guy friends. Once I HIT the ground, I started to twitch, then my head rolled to the side, and I was still vomiting, and then went into convulsions. My eyes were fluttering then soon rolled into the back of my head so all you could see was the whites. My friends tried to ask me what was happening...and my temperature dropped, I was sweating yet ICE COLD. I kept throwing up, so my friends dragged me off to the side so security wouldn't see what was happening. The next thing I know, I'm being carried on my ex boyfriend's back, up the escalator, them telling me to be quiet (because I'm crying in pain) as security was at the top by the door. Turns out we had to go out through the bottom. So back down the escalator again. I get outside into the parking lot, in the freezing rain, I'm freezing, and still throwing up like crazy. It literally felt like every joint in my body was going to explode and my eyes bugging out of my head. My head felt like it was about to explode and my spine just ached. I could barely focus and couldn't stand. I was just crying to leave me there and how I just wanted to die. So we hike our asses to the bus stop to bus back out to tsawwassen. Which at every corner I was stopping, throwing up, crying and screaming. Cars were even stopping (adults) asking if I was ok at what 8:30am on a Sunday morning. My friends insisted I would be ok (all thinking I was ill due to the e). So we FINALLY get on the bus. I'm sitting in the back, throwing up between the seats. Bus ride from hell. (Though I don't remember it) We arrive back home in Ladner. Take our after first party picture. I felt like I was going to fall over and die. In the picture I actually am green, and am not even holding myself up, a friend is. My best guy friend took me to his place as I was in NO condition to go home....as I just began to get worse. SO he sneaks me into his house, up the stairs, and I get sick ALL OVER his fuking stairs. He undressed me out of my clothes and put me in sweats, then into bed. He layed there for hours, keeping my airway open, checking my pulse and making sure I was breathing...and I finally slept. I woke up totally disorientated and lost my whole memory of what happened once I got sick. I finally went home that evening and slept for about another day and a half. The guy called me, and wanted me to come to some UBC keg party...but I was so exhausted and quite out of it that I said no. However, I was smart enough to go see the doctor (as I did have mono) after my first party experience. I explained what happened, and he did blood work right away. He found traces of G in me and said it was probably about 3-4 servings (teaspoons or bottle caps) of G in my water that I consumed. Which is way too much for a person to handle, let alone one who has mono and immune system's weak. I never heard from that guy ever again. But I would kill to find him as he put me through the worst HELL of my entire life. And to think I never suspected it because I was so thirsty I just chugged the water down, not even NOTICING the salty taste. You can't predict what reaction your body will have to such a drug. Nothing's lade out in stone regarding all these substances yet and everything is just an experiment. So yes, if you were at Frosty 4, remember a girl dying in the breaks room...that was me! And think back to that, and what you saw....it's horrible and a drug one shouldn't mess with in my opinion. You never know, every batch is different and you could react to differently my doctor said. Now for another experience/opinion....
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Nov 22, 01
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Closely related G incident
So now that you know MY personal experience with G, I'll share another experience I had just recently.
So after a club night, which was loads of fun, my guy friends decide, yeah, let's have a raging afterparty at our place downtown. So I fuking am game. We all did some e, had some drinks. Sat up played records all night, danced, laughed, some even went swimming in the water fountains out front, and lost ourselves within the building, and getting stuck in elevators. Just an amazing, trippy night. It was around 8am, and a friend from the 20th floor comes down from his own little after party gig. Saying everyone's passed out, yet our party's still going. So he joins right in. We ask him what he's flying on and he replies, "G". So my good guy buddy asks if there's anymore!? As we'd been up for hours and he thought it would be a nice way to pass out. So he got two teaspoons worth. And shared. He barely did a full teaspoon either, just a little under half. Everyone was fine...I was still worried as my experience with it as mentioned above was HORRID. So I played mommy and ran around, having a great old time. Everyone seemed fine. Next thing I know my 24 year old guy buddy is curled up in my lap, in tears, in pain, thrashing around, biting my leg and throwing up. What's happening to him? GEE, I wonder. So I sat with him for hours, kept him talking. Held him in the washroom when throwing up. He was doing exactly what I was doing in my story. Scariest thing in the world to have someone crying in that much pain and there's NOTHING you can do to help them and you KNOW what they are going through as you WENT through it. Many hours later my friend was ok...luckily. But at times it got very scary, keeping your finger in their mouths, down their throats to keep an airway passage open, as it was collapsing. Pouring water down his throat, watching him cry, and just grab my leg in agony. Literally tore my heart out! And I'm so very thankful he survived, because he may not of. And he barely did ANY G too! So there's my two examples of having TOO much in your system (tho I didn't even know I did it) and having very LITTLE. It doesn't matter what you THINK the dosage is, it's different for everyone. This drug isn't cool! I almost lost my life unknowingly and a friends. All I have to say is, if you chose to do this drug, be careful, don't be ignorant because the punnishment is horrid, be in a safe environment and have someone sober around just incase. I won't say don't do drugs, because fuk that's a joke. But I will say be responsible. READ UP ON IT TOO! Those were my experiences, plz respect 'em as they were very hard emotionally to sit here and type out. Thx.
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Nov 22, 01
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in small to moderate regular use, GHB can cause physical addiction. it is not 'good' for your body. all in all, it is not a generally destructive drug, and it can be used for 'good' by very careful people (eg: very small doses to help as a sleep aid). as a whole, GHB is a pretty dangerous drug. that been said, i know a lot of friends who use it regularily and it doesn't even make me cringe, because i know they are extremely intelligent about it. on the other hand, the post about 'testing limits' does make me cringe. that's just dumb shit that lands people in hospitals. as for k, it is also a dangerous drug, and not an incredibly intelligent one either, but im already longwinded. i'm all for people not being able to do drugs until they can synthesize them in labs themselves. r.
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Nov 22, 01
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Wow - Jess..
That is real rough.. That guy.... Ugh.. people like that are not worth any thing.. seriously.. Heh.. i would not ever do that to any one.. nor would i ENCOURAGE doing that to any-one.. luke: heh.. maybe going into a ghb induced coma wouldnt be a good idea tho, as cool as it sounds.. unless you are shooting for being dead and all.. i mean what if you never woke up? :x its not too pleasant to think about.. but i guess people need to have their horrible experiences on drugs before they have a reason to not do them, well.... most of the time. and i dont plan to do enough/or often enough, to have a horrible experience... because really.. it would not be fun, nor is a horrible experience on anything.. like i am still waiting for something bad to happen on acid.. hah.. i doubt it will tho.. self control is the KEY with acid.. well anyways..... hmm - i guess it comes down to: no drug is ever safe, but KNOW what you are playing with and make sure you are in a good environment where if something bad happens, it will not ensue chaos. :x zarlon
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Nov 22, 01
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hmm.... yeah I guess I worded that a bit stupidly.... intentionally ODing on G would not be a good idea, I agree. what I meant more was to carefully find a good personal limit for it. I wasn't really very high from the dose I took that night.
and Werdyboy: wanna post some links to some literature about how dangerous K is? I would be very interested in reading such an article.
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Nov 22, 01
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P.S. Be careful guys & gurls!
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Nov 22, 01
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i have a whole bunch of literature on it from dancesafe in my room of clinical studies and stuff, nothing readily online, though you could just look at the erowid page: http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/keta...e_health.shtml i know most friends i have had that have started using k even recreationally have either noticed a change in themselves, or i have noticed a change in. ymmv. r.
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Nov 22, 01
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yeah.. I've read pretty much everything there is on erowid about K. I know it can form psychological dependance if you have easy access to it, and I've noticed in myself that after doing it every day for a week straight, that there is something different about me. I know the kind of addictive potential it can have. I guess I just really don't see it as THAT bad of a drug because I can control myself with how much I use it.
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Dec 06, 01
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ghb is the most wonderful liquid in the world.
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..sebcoe..
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Drugs are bad...mmkay?! But in all honesty, I think that if you feel you have to take all sorts of different drugs to enhance your moods and to "have fun" you might want to see a doctor and/or a psychologist/psychaitrist. Everything in moderation, just be careful. You can never be TOO careful when it comes to drug use.
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Dec 07, 01
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I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. Have you done GHB? I've seen it in multi colours.
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