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Old Dec 17, 04
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How Not To Become An Addict

There are lots of people ragging on meth lately. However, with a decent protocol of self-control and self-awareness, it can be as unaddictive as anything else. So, with that in mind, I present my humble guide to preventing addiction. So far it's worked for me with nicotine, methamphetamine, and every other drug I've partaken of.

Know yourself sober. Don't do drugs of any sort for a long period of time. Understand who you are, and what you're like. Make sure your self-perception is accurate. Talk with a friend and discuss your perceptions of each other to ensure that you're not self-delusional. Knowing what you're like sober will allow you to know what effects drugs are having on your life. If you notice any negative effects, stop immediately.

Enjoy drugs responsibly. Stagger usage patterns. If you're going to go on a week-long meth bender for example, ensure that you maintain sobriety through the harsh come down. If you're going to do something every weekend, it will eventually become habit. Habit forms addiction rapidly. By changing things up and preventing habitual patterns from forming, addiction is much less of an issue.

Monitor the behaviour of your friends. If you notice that drugs are affecting a friend negatively, inform them politely. Ask them to do the same for you. If you have a non-drug-using group of friends that you hang out with occasionally, maintain contact, and engage in non-drug-related activities.

Have a life outside of drugs. Don't allow drug-use to be your primary hobby. It's a fun hobby, but making it a primary goal is one of the faster ways to become addicted. Often one of the "addicting" elements of methamphetamine usage is the crew of people that you do it with. You become a part of that culture, make connections with those people, and they reinforce the negative behaviour patterns.

Be responsible. If you choose to do drugs, you choose to risk the chance that you could end up as an addict. If you end up with an addiction, it is your choice to rid yourself of that addiction.

Generally, if you keep your drug use patterns to the weekends, and do something different and/or random each weekend, you'll be more likely to stay addiction free.
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Old Dec 17, 04
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yes but you see, sometimes preventitive measures do jack shit no matter what!

also: udnerstand that these things may do nothing at all to help your cause
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Old Dec 17, 04
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Ok here's what you do! You go to jail, and ask to be imprisoned for 4 weeks...not to let you out and no drugs, alcohol etc...then I'd say you'd be fixed! Or lock yourself in your room.
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Old Dec 17, 04
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thanx TIPS LOL.
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Old Dec 17, 04
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Monitor the behaviour of your friends. If you notice that drugs are affecting a friend negatively, inform them politely.
LOL! Yeah that works.




Some people fucked after there first go w/ drugs.
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Old Dec 17, 04
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Understand the word moderation.
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Old Dec 17, 04
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LOL! Yeah that works.
...because standing by and doing nothing is so much better...

Idiots will be idiots regardless; the best thing to do is hope that your friend is somewhat intelligent and is still willing to take advice. I make a point of considering every piece of advice given to me, because if it's worth giving, it's definitely worth considering.

You don't become an addict from doing drugs once. A lot of it is much more complex than that.

tekkerz_inc's got the gist of it all. Moderation is key.
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Old Dec 18, 04
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^Thank you for your helpful hints friend.

But I know all to well what it's like to have a close friend go through a jib addiction.
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Old Dec 18, 04
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But I know all to well what it's like to have a close friend go through a jib addiction.
So do I, so do I. I've seen addiction tear close friends (and lovers) apart, make honest people cheat, and more. If they're that bad, they probably won't listen to advice. But don't stop trying to help.
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Old Dec 19, 04
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Good post.

Although I'm with most other people on the point of informing friends of sketchy addictive behaviour.

When the crew and I first got into meth, we made the exact same pact with each other. If any of us got too far in and someone else called them on it, they would listen and step back.

Most naive pact EVER made.


One bit of advice, if you get into meth... while your on it and in a hyperanalytical headspace, use some of that hyperanalytical drive to figure out EXACTLY what the meth is doing inside your head. Much like psilocybin, it has a personality, agenda and intentions. Get to know it. As wierd an idea as is sounds, it'll help you out in the long run.
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Old Dec 19, 04
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If you need a clean view of your self to know what's going on,,, and drugs take that clean view away. How can ever be sure you are not bull-shitting your self?
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Old Dec 19, 04
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you could always watch Requiem For a Dream. That's totally put some of my friends off. They pull out all the stops with that movie.
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stupid post, and really retarted of anyone to say these words.

"i'm not addicted, because i stagger my usage patterns, and do things in moderation"

i've said really dumb things in my life, when i was an addict, and i've heard dumb things, all the typical ones like "i'm not really addicted, i only do it once a week/month/whatever" "i can stop at anytime", "i'll quit after this weekend" and more, but this takes the cake for the most naive opinion on the topic of meth addiction.
so i have a question...
canar, i can only assume this means you do meth, even if only occasionally right?
if you do, you will learn the harsh realities of this addiction sooner or later, and two or three years down the road, when you decide you need to stop (and you may never in all that time, increase your dosage or anything) you'll find out just how bad meth addiction is. there's only one drug that is as addictive, and that's smoking. not even heroin is as bad, because at least with heroin, you can beat the physical withdrawal in a month.
you're addicted to meth for life.
that doesn't mean that you'll ever do it again if you decide to stop, but 40 years down the road, you'll still have cravings, and it will be JUST as hard to say no to if you were around it, as it is the day after you decide to quit.

now reflecting on what you said about addiction in general, and how it applies to any drugs, your idea is still just as naive,
because you need to realize that your idea's are just the addictive side of you, giving yourself justification for doing drugs.
justification is the most obvious sign of an addict."i'm still ok to do this because i'm not addicted.
so is denial "i'm not addicted, nor will i be as long as i do this...."
in reality, there's only one way to know that you're not addicted and that's to stop. now while i advocate not doing drugs to people i know and care about, it's only because I don't want them to do it. but in reality, i think everyone should spend a little part of their life doing drugs, just hope that it's not excessive. i'm all about doing whatever you want to do, as in 'if it feel good do it' but you need to know that the only way to be honest with yourself about it, is to not be making excuses or justification for anything you do.
if you feel like doing drugs, then just DO THEM,
don't make excuses,
enjoy yourself as responsibly as possible,
and when it become a problem for YOU
(cause that's the only reason you'll stop)
quitting becomes much easier.

i could go on forever on this topic, but i need to leave the house now.

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Old Dec 19, 04
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Eh, no, here's how I know I'm not addicted: I occasionally go six months or more without using things I'm concerned about and have no cravings. I understand what cravings are. I've experienced them with nicotine most clearly. They start small, but as you give in to them, they become amplified and harder to resist.

I'm aware this touches parts of people that have been hurt, because they've seen people they know and trust damaged by addiction. I have too. It was my sincere hope that maybe by divulging my own usage techniques that others could find them useful in some small way to prevent this situation from repeating itself.

Drug use will occur regardless of how "sensible" it is. The point of this post was more for harm-reduction than anything else. Addiction is a risk. If this post lowers someone's chance of addiction from 75% to 70%, I've helped a little.

This may seem naive and/or obvious. I'm not denying that. I'm just relating techniques that have worked for myself.

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if you feel like doing drugs, then just DO THEM,
don't make excuses,
enjoy yourself as responsibly as possible,
and when it become a problem for YOU
(cause that's the only reason you'll stop)
quitting becomes much easier.
This is precisely what I'm saying with my post. I'm relating techniques that have resulted in "responsible" use patterns for myself and that will amplify your awareness of whether or not drugs are becoming a problem.

You've got this preconcieved notion that this post was the mindless ramblings of an addict. You were wrong.

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If you need a clean view of your self to know what's going on,,, and drugs take that clean view away. How can ever be sure you are not bull-shitting your self?
Ah, the paradoxes. Unfortunately, you can't ever be sure you're not self-delusional. Even if you're completely sober. You just assume and make sure your worldview is logically coherent. Knowing thyself is just one of several things that I've found have helped in my own experience.

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Old Dec 19, 04
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One bit of advice, if you get into meth... while your on it and in a hyperanalytical headspace, use some of that hyperanalytical drive to figure out EXACTLY what the meth is doing inside your head. Much like psilocybin, it has a personality, agenda and intentions. Get to know it. As wierd an idea as is sounds, it'll help you out in the long run.
Most drugs that I've tried do this exactly, and you've got a very valid point.
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Eh, no, here's how I know I'm not addicted: I occasionally go six months or more without using things I'm concerned about and have no cravings.
that's exactly what i was talking about. that's still an addiction you know, otherwise you wouldn't ever do it again. you CAN be an addict and still only do something once every 6 months.
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here's how I know I'm not addicted:......
that's very cliche.
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that's exactly what i was talking about. that's still an addiction you know, otherwise you wouldn't ever do it again. you CAN be an addict and still only do something once every 6 months.
You and I have very different definitions of addiction. By your standards, going to the dentist could be an addiction. Drinking Coca-cola could be an addiction. Sex could be an addiction. Petting a cat could be an addiction.

What I said may be cliche, but can you come up with some better way to word that while getting the same point across?

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The best way not to become an addict, period, is drug abstinence.
But that line of thinking is probably a little too far out for this crowd.
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The best way not to become an addict, period, is drug abstinence.
yep. the only way
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going to the dentist could be an addiction. Drinking Coca-cola could be an addiction. Sex could be an addiction. Petting a cat could be an addiction.
i don't crave going to the dentist, but if i did, i suppose that would be an addiction. i AM addicted to coke and other soda's. sex IS an addiction, it's just stronger for some than others. i don't crave petting a cat either.

another question for you...
(i'd love an answer if you could, i'm very interested to know this, cause i like talking to people about addiction as a concept)......

as to the "i only do it every 6 months (or however long)"
if after doing a drug, you don't find yourself craving it at all, and then 6 months later you end up doing it again,
what was the reason for doing it at that time? how did you end up being in a position to do something that you don't crave, but you know is addicting?
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Old Dec 19, 04
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as to the "i only do it every 6 months (or however long)"
if after doing a drug, you don't find yourself craving it at all, and then 6 months later you end up doing it again,
what was the reason for doing it at that time? how did you end up being in a position to do something that you don't crave, but you know is addicting?
I don't crave it, I enjoy the experience. It's like having a coke or ordering pizza or having a beer. I enjoy nicotine and meth like I enjoy mushrooms, acid, and other hallucinogens, and at roughly the same intervals.

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(i'd love an answer if you could, i'm very interested to know this, cause i like talking to people about addiction as a concept)
Fire away, man. :) Ask me a question and I'll give you as straight an answer as I can.

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I don't crave it, I enjoy the experience.
how do you figure there's a difference?
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how do you figure there's a difference?
Heh, ever had a craving? Satiating the craving is one thing. Doing something you have no current craving for is another. I only generally ever satiate food cravings.
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^Thank you for your helpful hints friend.

But I know all to well what it's like to have a close friend go through a jib addiction.
I've lived with it in my house.

I'm living with it in my house right now, in fact... apparently some recovering methheads upstairs.

I still agree with what he said. I don't think your condescending tone is really appropriate.

The key, as with all things in life, is the will to take his advice. These aren't preventive measures. In case you didn't read the post, most of what he talked about was habitual use and how to handle life after indulging in the drugs. It's all pretty solid advice. While, yes, it's a lot more easier said than done, these are decent guidelines if you want to keep a straight head about you whilst plummetting yourself into the bowels of getting fucked right out.
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