Urban Legands about E

[crookedking]

hoopin' ain't no urban legend.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by crookedking

hoopin' ain't no urban legend.

but it should be!

[ja_raul]

Originally Posted by Nixon_Ninja

how YOU doin;)

giggity giggity

but yea, another urban legend about e is that you can develop parkinsons disease from it, which is total bullshit.

In a now-retracted study, a research team led by Dr. George A. Ricaurte at Johns Hopkins University implicated MDMA as a cause of Parkinson's-like brain abnormalities in monkeys, suggesting that a single use of MDMA caused permanent and serious brain damage. These claims were hotly disputed by physicians, therapists, and other experts, including a team of scientists at New York University. Criticisms of the study included its use of injection rather than oral administration; that this type and scale of damage (>20% mortality) would translate to hundreds of thousands or millions of deaths which had not materialized in the real world amidst extremely broad global MDMA usage; and, perhaps most important, that other research teams could not duplicate the study's findings.

from wikipedia

edit: look at the neat little pills

[liquidblue]

Wow wow wow. just because you guys dont know anyone thats OD'd on water does NOT mean it's hard to do.

This is very false. If you are a small person, weighing less than 120 lbs its a lot easier than you think. It may not be easy to happen if you are not sweating a lot, but if you are sweating a lot your body looses A LOT of salt and your cells absorb to much water. I personaly know someone that DID consume too much water at Doomsnight and was HOSPITALIZED from it. They could have experianced permanent brain damage if they didnt go to the hospital to have the electrolytes balanced in their blood again.

Dont take this as a rumor it can and does happen FREQUENTLY. eat salty foods when you rave, and/or try to drink a few sports drinks like poweraid.

Believe it or not I find taking a salt tab before, during and after raving to compleatly eliminate the hangover associated with popping. Give it a try and see for yourself. Stay safe.

[Asheai]

I usually try to drink poweraid before raving, cuz i did know that a salt definciency can happen when you are sweating... but thats not really the same thing as ODing on water, I would think... I suppose I could be wrong tho, thanks for the info... always good to be prepared...

[ebbomega]

Best stuff for you when high on E is probably V8 Splash. Calcium/Magnesium pills are good, as is 5-HTP and vitamin C in any form.

they call fruit smoothies "smart drinks" for a reason.

And yes, it is possible to have kidney failure from drinking too much water. The equivalent of 1 bottle every hour or two is good. more is dangerous, less is dangerous.

[Vitamin-X]

I actually heard somewhere that 5-htp is better post rave because some
in the medical community think that pre rave 5-htp can lead to
seretonin syndrome.

Also alpha lipoic acid is an excellent anti-oxident because it's fat and water soluable. I take it pre and post Rave.

[-evil-duerr-]

^ this is all really interesting information.
Is there a drug info/safety website with all this kind of stuff on it? Less kids would be fucking themselves up if they knew about this kinda shit.

[PsyTrance4Life]

from experience:

taking 5htp 2~4 hours before you drop E will make your high mellow and clamer
taking 5htp after rave will make your hangover MUCH BETTER

some things to read
http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/ecstasy/safe_dance.htm

drink water
The recommended amount of water to drink is 500ml per hour's dancing. Remember: sip, don't gulp. Do not drink too much water.

drink fruit juices
They are more efficient in replacing lost nutrients. Avoid fizzy drinks as they can cause nausea.

take Vitamin C
It's an antoxidant and will prevent MDMA neurotoxicity. Take large amounts of it (500-2000mg) before, during and after. Avoid Vitamin C tablets with artifical sweeteners (see below)

avoid 'diet' drinks
In fact, any drink containing artificial sweeteners (such as aspartame). They contain phenylaline, a substance which increases neurotoxicity of MDMA

avoid alcohol
It increases body temperature, makes the kidneys work much harder and gives a much worse come-down. Almost all E-related deaths have involved alcohol.

take breaks
rising body temperature is the most dangerous physical aspect of Ecstasy use. Take regulars breaks from dancing to cool down. If possible,

don't mix pills
in the same session to reduce the chance of impurity interactions, or being flattened by two pills with radically different strengths

watch the dose
never take more than two pills, less if you are female and / or you have a small build. Never take two at the same time. The more MDMA you take, the more likely you are to suffer from overheating, neurotoxic effects and memory impairments.

get pills tested using a testing kit. Many users lick pills before buying them in an attempt to identify the taste, but speed and MDMA have almost identical tastes. You can find out about testing kits here.

keep groups of friends togetherespecially if they are inexperienced users, and be prepared to talk people through bad times; (see our bad trip guide for more details)

leave time between regular Ecstasy use
At least one month, preferably two or three. This will make each occasion much more special; it will also keep your tolerance levels down.

If you or your friends experience any of the following, then seek medical attention :

disorientation:
somebody being unable to say where they are or what day it is.

drowsiness,
unresponsive to instructions like "open your eyes."

breathlessness or strained breathing

feeling abnormally hot despite attempting to cool down or being in a cool environment etc.

collapse and unconsciousness

[nuf_dawg]

Originally Posted by Anjew

I heard that taking a tab of E is like playing russian roulete....
glad i never done it before.....

omg anjew is still alive:D hahahhahh

[Two_Six]

Drinking energy drinks like Red Bul increases your high. Also smoking weed after a rave brings back the high and cures the e come down.

[diaphorrhoea]

"E is safe."

Hah, what a good one that was!

Seriously though, in junior high I was told that "Drinking as little as a bottle cap full of liquid Ecstasy can kill you!". Looking back, there are many very obvious things wrong with this statement, but at the time I believed it.

[whited0ve]

theres a better chance of a chick getting prego on the pill than dying on e.

[frankie_V]

yeah hoopin E is not my forte

[Flip]

I heard that if you do E, you'll hug everyone, put on candy bracelets and dance to pretty much any beat you hear! Ya that's just plain silly.......urban legends.

I also heard that doing E makes people go to raves......or wait, going to raves makes people do E. One or the other, I forget!

[liquidblue]

its an excellent practice to take 5-HTP and VIT-C before and after popping. Its believed that 5-HTP limits the negative effects of mdma on the brain because it builds up your serotonin reserves... and as we all know mdma causes these to be depleated... so the general idea is more water in the tank to be drained = less chance of runnign out of water.

5-HTP defiantly will mellow out your high... but a word of caution here, 5-HTP is commonly used as a sleep aid. If you take too much before you pop you will be preaty drowsy. I usually take 200mg 5-HTP before popping and 1000 mg Vit-C. And the same after I get home. I know we all discount Vit-C as a regular everyday thing, but this is even mroe important than the 5-Htp. Its been shown in many many studies that anti-oxidants play a huge role in preventing the neurotoxicity of MDMA. The biggest reason that MDMA is blelieved to be toxic to the bain is due to bio-energetic stress in combination with the drug (Dancing, or anything else really physical) this kindda sucks for us ravers because thats what we liek to do on E. An anti oxidant (like Vit-C) will help out your brain quite a bit. Other things like ascorbic acid works excellent as well (and this is usually what they use in clinical studies).

Some people were confused about the salt tab thing that I mentioned... athletes take them, they are a mix of salt and potassium.. anyways it helps raise your electrolytes in your blood. The reason people get "water poisoning" is not an actual poisoning from the water per se. Whats happening is when the electrolytes in your blood get too low your cells keep absorbing water past their capacity... its simple bio 12... water passes through membranes (in this case cell wals) from a hypotonic solution to a hypertonic solution to balance out. (same way your kidneys work) anyways the cells keep absorbing water past their physical limits and lyse (rupture). preatymuch when this happens in your brain there are very dire consequences leading to brain damage. Typically yoru cells are not going to rupture, but they will strtch to a point where there is damage. This is the reason you can't put a salt water fish in fresh water. Their cells are use to the salty water... when they are placed in fresh water their cells keep absorbing water untill they rupture = dead fish.

Moral of the story dont be a dead fish, take salt tabs, stay safe and feel WAY better the next day. (it works, ill vouch for it, makes my hang overs non-existant)

[liquidblue]

If anyone is really keen on this shit, heres a coupple papers Iv written in school about MDMA. The first one i wrote back in college about how Anti-oxidants have been shown to reduce the negative effects of MDMA, and the 2nd one is more general its just about how MDMA is less harmfull than the media has us believe (and scientific studies backing this claim).

enjoy.

The best E is in Ibiza, damn I always pop a cap before a gig. It lasts for like 6 hours really good shit, called Aladdin.

[hardstylin]

i heard E can make girls really easy

[diaphorrhoea]

Originally Posted by fnker

The best E is in Ibiza, damn I always pop a cap before a gig. It lasts for like 6 hours really good shit, called Aladdin.

Agreed. Purest stuff I've ever had was from west-end San Antonio.

[Two_Six]

They got the purest stuff in Ibiza, I heard stories about how good the e is out there, gonna try some at Freeze, e right from Ibiza called Aladdin caps, they are all white with a magic carpet logo.

The e here these days sucks, nothing good around.

[deliverance]

5 htp!?!?! salt tabs?!?!?!!

fuck that. bottle of jack daniels. THAT will make your high much better.

lol.

-J

[diaphorrhoea]

Originally Posted by Two_Six

They got the purest stuff in Ibiza, I heard stories about how good the e is out there, gonna try some at Freeze, e right from Ibiza called Aladdin caps, they are all white with a magic carpet logo.

The e here these days sucks, nothing good around.

Most of the E in Ibiza comes over from Amsterdam, or so I was told while I was over there, and I know that Amsterdam is flooded with bunk shit, so be safe.

Yeah, in Amsterdam you can either get really amazing e or really bunk shit. You got to know where to get it and from who.

Amsterdam is so much fun, can't wait to go there in the new year.

[diaphorrhoea]

God, I wish I could. Hit up Barney's for me. :)