why is all the <!> from Chilliwack so damm cheap ?

[prozac]

^^^ I second that. Those were both memorable. Soon after I switched to these pure MDMA gelcaps a friend was making. Way better than any mysterious presstabs my dealer(s) happenned to be holding. Anyways, it stopped being fun (started just feeling messy, not happy) so I don't do it anymore at all. I wish I'd stopped sooner.

We didn't know a lot of the long-term effects of heavy ecstasy abuse only a few years ago (we still don't)...but do you think the prevalence of depression, manic depression, anxiety/panic disorders and other mental disorders on this site may be pointing to one common factor a lot of us shared? ie. mdma & other drug abuse. There is research linking these problems, especially panic disorders, to long-term ecstasy abuse that have been surfacing the last couple years. I know it sure as hell rings true for me. Not to mention the listlessness, self-consciousness and paranoia that i didn't have before.

And that's without even starting on crystal meth! I consider anyone who's used that shit lucky to be alive. And I am speaking from experience.

My advice? If you don't know who's making it (which I doubt you do), have some beers instead...even weed (which I hate) is a lesser evil...or if you MUST get fucked up, go camping and try mushrooms...

[prozac]

Originally Posted by Asheai

i think testing e is only really popular in the states. i have heard of raves down there where they have e testing stages and you can do it there (of course, those arent legal raves).

That would be what we call providing a false sense of security.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by prozac

...try mushrooms...

sound advice!

[zarlon]

Originally Posted by yoshi242

you can get them for $2.00 a pill

some are good some are bad, what are they cutting them with ?
they are stamped with a exclamation mark ?

i was told they do contain heroin / jibb-speed... just how much mdma do you think there putting in them nowadays for less than $2.00 a pill ???

seriously, if they do have that shit in them (heroin etc) be happy buddy, you're getting a good deal for the substance

Eighty5: "heroin i HIGHLY doubt it. why does everybody assume if a pill is white/crumbly it contains herion? putting herion in a tab of ecstacy is pointles"

there probably is heroin in alot of pills, however it's not really that cost effective if you think about it..

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by zarlon

seriously, if they do have that shit in them (heroin etc) be happy buddy, you're getting a good deal for the substance

Eighty5: "heroin i HIGHLY doubt it. why does everybody assume if a pill is white/crumbly it contains herion? putting herion in a tab of ecstacy is pointles"

there probably is heroin in alot of pills, however it's not really that cost effective if you think about it..

I had the priveledge of befriending a chemist once. He told me his supplier had once asked him to press heroine into a batch so that people would become addicted faster and buy more of his product. My friend, of course, saw this as inhumane and refused, stating that there ARE ethics in the drug culture and he upholds them quite firmly. I wouldn't doubt it if this tactic has been used elsewhere.

[decypher]

mushshrooms at a rave is a blasphemy. Don't fuck around.

[tiedye]

^^^
mushrooms are my favourite rave drug. I love dancing on mushrooms, because no chemical could make my body absorb the music the way that fungus does. They're actually my favourite all-around.

[decypher]

Eventually the power of the mushroom shows you that doing them at raves with sketchy people is a waste of the essence of mushrooms. At least in my interpretation. They can be a powerful alley or your worst enemy. They are meant for the secluded outdoors or controlled settings with the right people.

[prozac]

^^^read my post again. I said go camping, not take them at a rave.

[Draven GD]

Camping is the best place to do shrooms. but at a rave is awsome. i spend most raves on mush and E. its a great mix in my oppinon

and there would not be very many cases of heroin in E cause it raises the cost to make it. doesnt make much sence. and if you want it to be adictive, Speed is way cheaper way of doing that.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by eighty5

2$ isn't that cheap.
i know people who deal who get them for 80-90 cents each.

HOLY SHIT! Damn, people, I didn't realize it was so bad already. When I first started doing E, it was around $20-25 a pill. Then I went to the UK, where E has been popular much longer and it's £3-4 (7-10). The pills there are horrible, always speedy and full of crap. When the price goes down, so does the quality. It's your body, so be my guest, but know that one of the most universal truths on this capitalist planet of ours is you truly get what you pay for. Don't cheap out on your brain. Pay more now, feel better later.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Dravengd

and there would not be very many cases of heroin in E cause it raises the cost to make it. doesnt make much sence. and if you want it to be adictive, Speed is way cheaper way of doing that.

exactly my thoughts.
isn't heroin more expensive then speed?

[zarlon]

Originally Posted by tiedye

I had the priveledge of befriending a chemist once. He told me his supplier had once asked him to press heroine into a batch so that people would become addicted faster and buy more of his product. My friend, of course, saw this as inhumane and refused, stating that there ARE ethics in the drug culture and he upholds them quite firmly. I wouldn't doubt it if this tactic has been used elsewhere.

i think that speed would be a lot more effective way of getting people addicted. heroin makes people sick very often

"isn't heroin more expensive then speed?"

yeah, but almost anything is more expensive than meth. its dirt cheap. thats not a cost effective way

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by decypher

Eventually the power of the mushroom shows you that doing them at raves with sketchy people is a waste of the essence of mushrooms. At least in my interpretation. They can be a powerful alley or your worst enemy. They are meant for the secluded outdoors or controlled settings with the right people.

I'm the kind of guy that enjoys them in any situation. I don't feed off of other people's energy as much as others seem to. On the other hand, I also never really seem to be bothered by or even really take much notice to sketchy people as I've been one of those sketchy people many a night. And besides, anywhere with good music is a good place to shroom.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by zarlon

i think that speed would be a lot more effective way of getting people addicted. heroin makes people sick very often

"isn't heroin more expensive then speed?"

yeah, but almost anything is more expensive than meth. its dirt cheap. thats not a cost effective way

if you think about who most drug dealers are, logical thinking isn't really one of their strong points. Granted some are clean and smart about it, and even some of the fucked ones are smart about dealing. . . but for the most part they're just dealing to keep themselves alive and high. Drug use beats logic into a wimpering pulp.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by decypher

mushshrooms at a rave is a blasphemy. Don't fuck around.

Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters were dosing on Psilocybin looooong before massive drug gatherings involving fucked up music were called "raves".

I've had mushies at raves many times and had a bloody blast.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters were dosing on Psilocybin looooong before massive drug gatherings involving fucked up music were called "raves".
I've had mushies at raves many times and had a bloody blast.

Pot makes jazz come alive; mushrooms make drum 'n' bass come alive.

[-evil-duerr-]

^
the music was already alive. music is life. It is emotion, memories, experience, and ideas; captured and forged into a form that people can listen to.
A music critique should know that.

Shit man, mushrooms will make yer toothbrush come alive. But does that make it a good toothbrush???

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

the music was already alive. music is life. It is emotion, memories, experience, and ideas; captured and forged into a form that people can listen to. A music critique should know that.

You shouldn't need drugs to enjoy music but there's nothing wrong with taking them to enhance it. Mushrooms can help you to listen in ways you never thought of before. I never truly understood the Beta Band till I heard them on acid. It gives you a different perspective you may never have experienced on your own.
Besides, shrooms are nature: no assembly required, right from God's hand to your mouth. I couldn't imagine someone doing herion at a rave to make music sound better.
Though, now that you mention a toothbrush, I strongly recommend you don't try to shave while on shrooms. That was a really bad idea. The hair kept growing back.

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Pot makes jazz come alive; mushrooms make drum 'n' bass come alive.

"quoted for truth"

I hated jazz until I started toking, and I was on mushrooms when I first heard drum n bass... it was like it was calling me from the main room into the smaller room.. like a blistering fast, industrial siren.

The music may already be alive, but the drugs make that life so much more vibrant.

PS. The Beta Band rock, acid or not =)

[tiedye]

Originally Posted by Dravengd

Camping is the best place to do shrooms. but at a rave is awsome. i spend most raves on mush and E. its a great mix in my oppinon

hippie flipping is THE BEST rave mix, in my opinion. sometimes I like to throw some K into the night too, but the mush opens every pore of your body to the music while the e makes you hyper-sensitive and full of energy. What more could you ask for?

[ebbomega]

For anybody who doesn't think that mushrooms belong at raves

Since that experience I have:
1) Moved out of my parents' basement
2) Gotten a job in my industry of choice as opposed to working retail
3) Moved back to Vancouver, which I had been trying to do for a year by the time I made that post
4) Gotten a wicked awesome girlfriend whom I love
5) In general ended a 3-year downward slide into depression, found my motivation in life and have been much much happier ever since.

A lot of people attribute ecstasy to their first major eye-opening experience at raves. For me it was mushrooms. E was fun and all but never hit me with that same level of realization that mushrooms did that fateful evening.

So yeah. Just because you don't know how to handle mushrooms at a rave doesn't mean other people don't.

(I've done mush at raves at least a half dozen times since then and only really ever had 1 bad experience amid all them....)

[decypher]

Well thats why i said in my interpretation. When i'm on mushrooms i feel really uncomfortable unless i'm in natural surroundings. The mechanical aspect of being at a rave or at some party would just feed bad emotions into the experience. When i do mushrooms it's a time to tap into the lifestream of the planet and expand my mind. I need to focus my mind power.

[Mr.Dave]

Originally Posted by prozac

^^^read my post again. I said go camping, not take them at a rave.

Hands down the best setting for fungal adventures!

[mapleleaf4ever]

CORNMAZE AND MUSHROOMS!

Man, that was wild.