Crisis on the Granville Street Mall...

[miss.myra]

hi has anybody noticed that the granville mall area of granville st downtown has always been a complete shit show? even before clubs opened up there?

[Jonny Dubbs]

so is there an actual bylaw in Vancouver that states you cannot stay open after last call? or is its just a case of it not being a viable option in under the current business model?

[*SunShyne*]

clubbers are rude to begin with.

I think that taxis should be allowed on those streets... no regular traffic

then again, that punishes the servers and bartenders and managers who have just worked their 10 hour shift and wanna go home, but don't want to have to walk 10 blocks to their car.

[prozac]

Originally Posted by rustybob

Yeah, I think the craptacular public transit does help keep more people in the Granville Street area. I mean, 1am last Skytrain? That's terrible. For sure there's going to be TONS of people on there, so how about a compromise? Instead of no Skytrain after 1am (and trains about ever 6-8 minutes before that), how about trains about every 15-20 minutes after 1am? The cost of running 3-4 trains per hour for another 2.5 hours wouldn't be huge. Also, to help cover costs of this, drop some redundant NightBus routes, like the one to Surrey Central. Between savings in paying a bus driver, gas, bus maintenance, and for what I'm sure would be increased ridership (a 40 minute Skytrain ride is a lot more tolerable than an hour and a half bus ride), and you should basically have a wash in costs.

I agree. The shoddy skytrain scheduling has kept me from going to a few shows.

[Séguin]

I don't see why the Skytrain isn't 24 hours.
Between 2-6 AM they only need run them every 15 minutes and alternate which line it is.

as if the security cameras will be able identify the suspect


phuleeeease

[Séguin]

Well, it sure won't help them hide as easy. Ever look at things from other points of view?

[cinist]

Originally Posted by Jonny Dubbs

^
other major cities (T.O, MTL) in canada make it happen, why not here?
6 bucks for water and they still make $, plus who knows what other kidna underhanded deals can take place...

i'm with you.

[Lush]

They have camera's littered all over Gastown and that hasn't really changed a whole lot in that neighborhood.

It's a difficult situation to tackle just because bars/clubs have to maintain a certain revenue to be able to pay their rent/staff so having the bars stay open longer isn't very realistic; most clubs have last call and shut down shortly after.

If you look at the setup of Granville it's almost a lose lose situation - you can't have that many bars and clubs on one strip and not expect to have problems.
It's unnecessary and it inevitably attracts large crowds which in turn causes drunk and disorderly behaviour.

[Two_Six]

Well for example clubs in most parts of Europe are open till 6 - 7am and have transit working 24hours and there isn't as many problems as there are here in Vancouver.

Clubs should be open till 6am, but stop serving alcohol at 2am. The clubs should just charge a higher cover fee, something like $15 - $20, expansive I know, but I'm sure that the people who want to party downtown will still pay that cover fee. I beleive that most people won't want to stay till 6am anyways without alcohol, so they'll want to leave, but they'll at least have a chance to sober up abit.

Also the suggestion to have the skytrain working every 15 - 20 minutes between 1am - 6am is a great idea. Less people driving drunk = less car accidents. Also more people will want to go clubbing downtown if they know they can get home safetly without having to drive drunk or pay a shit load of money for a taxi or worse have to take a hour and a half night bus home.

[rawb]

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAVE TO CROSS A BRIDGE OR GO THROUGH A TUNNEL TO COME DOWNTOWN AND YOU ACT LIKE A DOUCHE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE "BIG CITY", YOU GET YOUR BRIDGE AND TUNNEL PASS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CAN GO PARTY AT ROOSTERS OR THE MIRAGE.

[Wood]

^best idea so far

[Ree Fresh]

Vancouver is still between a large Major city like TO or Montreal and a small cozy city like Victoria. I think a lot of ppl in Vancouver dont want to see this city continue to grow. However with the Oylimpics on its way... we cant really help it. Im sure 24 hour transit and later night clubs will deffinently happen by that time. Not to mention with our amazing rang of landcaping, a lot of ppl rather get up early and enjoy the out doors than party till dawn. I dont think Vancouver is really ment to have an outstanding crazy night life like other citys... allthough it would be nice if we had some quality to our clubs and an understanding for those who do.

[ppcock]

extending the hours of bars is the most pointless thing. They already did that, you still have the same amount of shitters wandering around.

thank god i dont work at a granville street bar.. fuck granville street, the city should tear it down.

sorry jim.



well, no im not.

[DJ Ponz]

Originally Posted by rawb

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAVE TO CROSS A BRIDGE OR GO THROUGH A TUNNEL TO COME DOWNTOWN AND YOU ACT LIKE A DOUCHE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE "BIG CITY", YOU GET YOUR BRIDGE AND TUNNEL PASS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CAN GO PARTY AT ROOSTERS OR THE MIRAGE.

Thunder stolen. Bill extra policing to the other municipalities.

[cubed]

Originally Posted by rawb

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAVE TO CROSS A BRIDGE OR GO THROUGH A TUNNEL TO COME DOWNTOWN AND YOU ACT LIKE A DOUCHE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE "BIG CITY", YOU GET YOUR BRIDGE AND TUNNEL PASS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CAN GO PARTY AT ROOSTERS OR THE MIRAGE.

Easily the best idea yet.

A majority of the people causing trouble on the mall are the "bridge and tunnel" folk.

Just look at mid-weeks on the mall, hardly any problems. Why? Because the suburbanite warriors can't make it down here on weekdays.

YOU DON'T SHIT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD!!!

Originally Posted by ppcock

thank god i dont work at a granville street bar.. fuck granville street, the city should tear it down.

sorry jim.

It's ok marty, you guys can have your flock of fat pasty chicks.

[Carrie]

if it costs more the 15bux to get home by taxi. Stay home.

[Grapes]

HOW ABOUT IF YOU HAVE TO CROSS A BRIDGE OR GO THROUGH A TUNNEL TO COME DOWNTOWN AND YOU ACT LIKE A DOUCHE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN THE "BIG CITY", YOU GET YOUR BRIDGE AND TUNNEL PASS TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND YOU CAN GO PARTY AT ROOSTERS OR THE MIRAGE.

This, of course, is excellent. I advocate a somewhat more extreme procedure: Wait until a particularly busy night and firebomb the entire strip.

Rebuild, sans assholes.

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by cubed

It's ok marty, you guys can have your flock of fat pasty chicks.

we do, its quite terrible.. its called burlesque show's, even the fattest chicks can be a burlesque girl. Thank god i never have to fork out the $15.00 cover to attend.

[rawb]

EITHER THAT OR WE TRUCK IN MORE SUBURBAN PEOPLE, MOSTLY GIRLS LOOKIN TO GET THEIR FUCK ON

IF YOU MEET A GIRL WHO WANTS TO GET HER FUCK ON AND YOURE AN UNDERSEXED WHITE GUY FROM COQUITLAM IN A NEW SHIRT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE A DOUCHE ON THE STREET LATER, AS YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR A REASONABLY PRICED HOTEL OR AN UNDERUSED ALLEY OR AN UNLOCKED VOLKSWAGEN

WHAT IS KEEPING VANCOUVER FROM MAKING A JAPANESE STYLE 'LOVE HOTEL'

[firestar]

Originally Posted by Two_Six

I'm totally against the camera idea, that's a invasion of privacy "BIG BROTHER WATCHING" to keep us safe, that's aload of bullshit. People get drunk and act disorderly in every city in the world on the weekends, especially in downtown where there's loads of clubs/bars. The cameras will not prevent violance, if people will fight they will fight with a camera present or not.

CCTV is a very good preventitve method in the UK. Yes, people will be stupid and cause fights regardless. But, with cameras and $1000 fines if caught for fighting and being too drunk in public, it works. I used to live in the UK and CCTV (although they go a bit overboard there with it) is a very good method of stopping that kind of behaviour. Especially in a confined area like Granville St. I also think scanning drivers licences would work well as well, if everyone was on board.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by rawb

EITHER THAT OR WE TRUCK IN MORE SUBURBAN PEOPLE, MOSTLY GIRLS LOOKIN TO GET THEIR FUCK ON

IF YOU MEET A GIRL WHO WANTS TO GET HER FUCK ON AND YOURE AN UNDERSEXED WHITE GUY FROM COQUITLAM IN A NEW SHIRT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE A DOUCHE ON THE STREET LATER, AS YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR A REASONABLY PRICED HOTEL OR AN UNDERUSED ALLEY OR AN UNLOCKED VOLKSWAGEN

WHAT IS KEEPING VANCOUVER FROM MAKING A JAPANESE STYLE 'LOVE HOTEL'

Someone alert the caps police.

[N888]

Originally Posted by rawb

EITHER THAT OR WE TRUCK IN MORE SUBURBAN PEOPLE, MOSTLY GIRLS LOOKIN TO GET THEIR FUCK ON

IF YOU MEET A GIRL WHO WANTS TO GET HER FUCK ON AND YOURE AN UNDERSEXED WHITE GUY FROM COQUITLAM IN A NEW SHIRT, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE A DOUCHE ON THE STREET LATER, AS YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR A REASONABLY PRICED HOTEL OR AN UNDERUSED ALLEY OR AN UNLOCKED VOLKSWAGEN

WHAT IS KEEPING VANCOUVER FROM MAKING A JAPANESE STYLE 'LOVE HOTEL'

wow i havent trolled this site and ages... and guess who i see.. RAWB?? p1 repruhzent

[vaporize]

get rid of the rap music is the only way

also i agree with the bus/skytrain running after 2/3am
so we don't have to drive or catch expensive cabs

[gnosis]

Bridge and Tunnel people. Part-time party people. Posers. Shysters. Gang-stars. Bar Stars. Wannabees. Loogans. 'Roid-boys. Chachi's. "Family". Hoochies. Jocks. Stag-in-a-stretch-SUV. And the incessant College-Kids.

Downtown people don't create the problems.

I've said this for ages.

If they just put a ban on shitty top 40 & "RnB", downtown, on weekends, they'd get rid of a lot of goombahs!

But, HEY! These twats NEED a place to go thump each other, in order to keep the good places/parties happening without them!

Longer pub-hours in the 'burbs, so the wankahs _STAY_ there, the situation, downtown, wouldn't exist, as it is, now.

Frosty
(yet, another opinion)