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Old Nov 08, 06
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Crisis on the Granville Street Mall...

VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980) - More than one hundred thousand dollars in police overtime and an officer with a broken leg while arresting a suspect on the Granville Mall. Those are just two examples cited by Mayor Sam Sullivan who says policies for the area need to be re-visited.

There is already talk of installing surveillance cameras in the area.

Now, Sullivan says extended bar hours may also need to be re-visited. He says the City needs to get control of hte situation.

VANCOUVER/CKNW(AM980) - While the Mayor wants to have bars close earlier, the word on Granville is mixed, both on whether there is a problem and what the solution should be.

On Granville Street people think the situation is tense but they don't necessarily agree with the Mayor or the police, "I don't think that changing the hours, making it earlier would really make much of a difference. People are still going to want to hang around afterwards. Saturday night is very frightening walking by yourself with tons of drunken men and women. This place is alive twenty-four seven so it's not going to make a difference."

What is clear about the violence and drunkenness on the Granville strip is people have an opinion on it, and Mayor Sullivan is going to need to convince them that his plans will make a difference.

more links http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/n...ffc9f0&k=30356

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"Mr Mayor, this is what happens when you move all the clubs down to the Granville Street Entertainment District"


The only way to solve this issue is to close down vehicular traffic on this strip from 8pm Fridays to 6am Sundays (same on Monday if a long weekend), install visible video cameras on street intersections and in front or around nightclubs. And jack up the "overly drunk in public" fine to $1,000 minimum fine.


What do you think the city should do.
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i think extending bar hours would be good.
Maybe have a cut off time for serving alcohol, but keep the place open so people don't have to roam the streets.
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^ completely agreed.
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also agree.
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Apparently the problem isnt limited to club-goers loitering. I heard an officer being interviewed saying that people come in their cars, drink in the parking lots and then just join up the mobs being drunk and disorderly, without even setting foot in a club. The skip the cover charge and contribute to the mayhem. Crazy.
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I totally agree with the extended hours as it will allow patrons a longer time period to leave and the you wont get that overwhelming wave of people at closing time.Either that or you will get the same problem just later.Im not opposed to cameras though
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i think extending bar hours would be good.
Maybe have a cut off time for serving alcohol, but keep the place open so people don't have to roam the streets.
no bar in vancouver will stay open past the serving time if they aren't making money off alcohol.
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other major cities (T.O, MTL) in canada make it happen, why not here?
6 bucks for water and they still make $, plus who knows what other kidna underhanded deals can take place...
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no bar in vancouver will stay open past the serving time if they aren't making money off alcohol.
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Cameras would not be a bad idea, I just think that if they want to take more pressure off the city would help to keep the bars open longer in the burbs so we dont always want to trek DT.
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I dont think changing the bar hours will help anything, I also dont think any bar's are going to stay open and stop making money by not selling liquor when the people will be willing to pay to keep drinking. If I was an owner of a bar/club I wouldn't it would be like watching your money go down the drain. I do think puting in camera's could be benificial. No one will know till they try.
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woah... i just read all of that.. the mayor wants to close EARLIER.. are you fucking kidding me??

silly city and provincial bylaws are making the club scene in Vancouver second rate....
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silly city and provincial bylaws are making the club scene in Vancouver second rate....
"making?"

we already are 2nd rate. This will just make us 3rd rate.
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no bar in vancouver will stay open past the serving time if they aren't making money off alcohol.
ya i know its wishful thinking.
Perhaps the city could fund a system to support this, so that the bars could stay open and not lose money?

If it would cost less for the city to support a new system, then it currently costs dealing with the drunken disorderly, it might be a good idea?

I'm just shooting bubbles out there.
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I'm totally against the camera idea, that's a invasion of privacy "BIG BROTHER WATCHING" to keep us safe, that's aload of bullshit. People get drunk and act disorderly in every city in the world on the weekends, especially in downtown where there's loads of clubs/bars. The cameras will not prevent violance, if people will fight they will fight with a camera present or not.

Alcohol and big group of people = disorderly conduct, no camera or changing the club hours will change that. The cops need to stop bitching and do their job, they think its bad here hahaha, go visit NYC/LA/Detroit, Vancouver is safe compared to those cities.

I been in one or two fights on Granville St., shit happens. People just need to go home after the clubs and not look for trouble on the streets, but there are always dumb ass people out there that just look for trouble and that's unavoidable.
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tho its funny, cuz plenty of other cities do.
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I'm just shooting bubbles out there.
Its not really shooting at bubbles. A good number of the "dance music" related clubs in toronto work this way, last call is at 2 then depending on the club music goes until 4,5. 6 and in the case of the guv 10 am! What is their incentive to stay open? Customer demand? Water sales? Cut of the drug money?
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Cut of the drug money?
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Cut of the drug money?
"E"xactly, lol!
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^my guess would be that they book special events in-house instead of using outside promoters, and factor the extra hours into the ticket price? most clubs here if they have a special event are giving a promoter 100% of the door, so their only income is liquor sales. either that or if there's no special event, people here (granville especially) are cheap and won't pay that much cover.
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ahhhh, yes that makes sence!

i remeber paying like 30-40 at systems on a regular night for cover, heh
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I wonder if part of the problem was city planning to have the majority of clubs all together?

Sometimes I wonder if the clubs put more money into makeing their clubs a nicer and a more classy place, it might rub off on the ppl.

I think having stricked laws only pushes for rebelion. From my travels and seeing bars/pubs/clubs open till 6am or even 24hours... Ive hardly seen the mess I see on Grandvill street.

I find the cops and bouncers to be very rude and threatning as well... Im sure treating ppl this way only makes them more aggressive back.

Overall I think its just a bad mix of things the city as put in place. Instead of looking at one problem, why dont they look at the problem as a hole. I mean howcome most of other places on the plant dont have this problem?
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The only way to solve this issue is to close down vehicular traffic on this strip from 8pm Fridays to 6am Sundays (same on Monday if a long weekend), install visible video cameras on street intersections and in front or around nightclubs. And jack up the "overly drunk in public" fine to $1,000 minimum fine.

I would agree closing down Granville to cars could deffinatly have a positive impact, but before doing that something would have to be done with the crap ass time that the skytrain stops running at. Also no problem with CCV around Granville as it is a problem area and hey not much you can defend against when a camera has you red handed. Jack the fine if need be but enforce it if someone goes to dispute..
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Yeah, I think the craptacular public transit does help keep more people in the Granville Street area. I mean, 1am last Skytrain? That's terrible. For sure there's going to be TONS of people on there, so how about a compromise? Instead of no Skytrain after 1am (and trains about ever 6-8 minutes before that), how about trains about every 15-20 minutes after 1am? The cost of running 3-4 trains per hour for another 2.5 hours wouldn't be huge. Also, to help cover costs of this, drop some redundant NightBus routes, like the one to Surrey Central. Between savings in paying a bus driver, gas, bus maintenance, and for what I'm sure would be increased ridership (a 40 minute Skytrain ride is a lot more tolerable than an hour and a half bus ride), and you should basically have a wash in costs.
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