Nov 17, 02
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dont pass up the chance if you're able to go tag along with some peeps going painting, even if you're just the person that keeps six you'll still learn lots, bit by bit 
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Nov 17, 02
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Rack your paint, then you keep your money and get a bunch of free paint. 9 cans yesterday thanks sears!!
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Nov 17, 02
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unfortunately another petty shoplifting charge would almost be the straw that broke the camels back... i got enough on my record as it is.. if offenses are repeated then punishment multiplies in harshness... and im not willing to deal with that so i'll just have to find other "methods" of getting money to buy paint...
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Nov 17, 02
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The question of "Right or wrong" is too broad of a question. Maybe you can narrow it down a bit.
i don't think it's the art itself that is often disapproved of, but more the fact that it does "damage" (alter without consent) some one else's property. As long as no one else but me scribbles on my own bedroom walls then I don't mind, but in putting myself in the shoes of another I can see how they might be pretty bitter towards some one else expressing themselves on their property. The question is, what is self-expression and how much right should/does self-expression have? Where do you draw the line? I recall an artist who incorporated his own defecation within his art on a canvas. At least it was his OWN canvas. Now what if he were to take this a step further and decide to use some one else's property for the purpose of self-expression in the eye of the public? uhhh.. Self-expression is a good thing, but I don't know about self-expressing yourself on some one else's canvas... But here comes the hypocrasy, and my other beliefs that contradict the above. Though I don't necessarily feel that "damaging" some one else's property for the purpose of your own self-expression is *right*, it doesn't mean that I don't do it myself. (in minor forms: drawing all over walls, scribbling on tables, childish scrawls on bathroom stalls haha) Also, based on what I've seen, I find graffiti art to be a unique form of expression and the fact that it isn't all prettied up and confined to a blank canvas, adds to it's "intensity". i dunno what I'm trying to say anymore.
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Nov 17, 02
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blank boring wall?
or brightly coloured mood changing, thought provoking, personal expression wall? which would you rather have? a nicely done piece goes so much deeper then a bunch of coloured paint thrown onto a wall to form a "tag". it expresses the artists mood, their attitude, their mindset there is no other type of art form that is so open artisticly as graffiti. i mean it is the oldest type of recorded "art" that we know of... cave drawings were done hundreds of years before artist so and so decided to paint a bowl of still fruit onto a canvas. and think about this, i'd like to see some of these more well known traditional artists do their still life painting while using one hand to hold onto a fire escape 5 stories up while the other works magic
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Nov 17, 02
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^I'm pretty sure that they could do it, but different people prefer different mediums, as you prefer a wall to a canvas.
And in a sense, isn't a wall your form of canvas? Well I find that any artist can share the same amount of passion as you do, but for their own type of work, whether they use a blank canvas and defecation, or a brick wall and can.. Christof, out of my own curiousity. What sets graffiti art apart from any other form of art?
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Nov 17, 02
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i write.....graffitti iz art....if yu arent an "artist" dont do it...its that simple....its all vandalism....just some shit looks a hell of a lot better.....and for those who wonder why we do it...its sort of a ...rush...i guess....adrenaline pumps....and the over all product nmakes yu feel good...gettin away with somehitng illegal that makes sertain places look better...atleast thats why i do it....and the obvious fact i like to draw....DaZaoner
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Nov 17, 02
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whose to say abstract art should be abstract at all? what if in the artists perception absolute realism is abstract? then what type of artist would he be? graffiti doesnt hold you back in this sense. graff isnt done so that the artist can send out a message, its done so that the onlooker can form its own opinion about the piece. from why it was done to what it means... a oil painting of a bowl of fruit is just that.... a painting of a bowl of fruit. there is no room left for the viewers imagination.
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Nov 17, 02
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it must have been a different peice your talkin about. NUEK and CASTRO are my boys, we're part of the same crew and now I'm starting a prodution company called ATS productions. Hittin my buddies up in a whole new way so keep ya eyes peeled for some SICK hand drawn graf flyers for up coming shows.... Sorry if ya can't read 'em all the info will be printed on the back... Peace Global ATS CREW
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Nov 17, 02
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there's a few good places here in north van...personally i can't do "graff". but i like to look at it.
speaking of tags though...anyone know gus?
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Nov 17, 02
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Nov 18, 02
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I totaly agree with Yoko. Expressing yourself through art is great. If we cannot express ourselves through art, what else is there to do.
However, if someone "tags" a wall with some small scribble thats just vandalism. And you never answered my Christof, "Have you ever done art on a building, get painted over and come back? I mean if the owner paints over it do you get offended?"
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Nov 18, 02
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Nov 18, 02
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my opinion of graffing:
I like the art, i can't denny that. But you have to remeber, your ruining somebody else's building for it. And who knows, heaven forbid, they may be nice people who don't like the idea of graf on their store wall... Not only that, nobody does much art anymore, all it is is a bunch of kids running around with a single can of spraypaint, tagging their name. You only have a right to tag if it's somewhere that required skill to get to. Side of a corner store: No Top of the water tower facing Knight street bridge: Yes.
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Nov 18, 02
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The city of vancouver recently passed a bylaw stating that if you have graffiti on your property, you are served 10 days notice to find a way to get rid of it yourselves, if you don't comply then the city will send its own workers to do so and forward the bill to the property owner. Things like this have dangerous potential to really hurt small businesses in areas where they are hit again and again and again. [for more information, consult this url: http://city.vancouver.bc.ca/engsvcs/streets/graffiti/] There is always a time and a place for graffiti art to go up, and I think one of the best ideas by far is to have businesses hire artists to do wonderful murals on their buildings [eg: that car place on commercial and hastings], it looks far nicer than some sketchy poorly done tag. M
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Nov 18, 02
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I got sick of all my tags being buffed so fast, but i found the answer to that.
glass eater....burn my name right in to the glass with acid. i'd like to see goodbye graffiti buff that. oh and i do get offended when my pieces get buffed, i hate everything looking so dull. Some people get more offended than others i've bin beat up before for going over the wrong people.
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