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Old Dec 18, 02
Kuckucksuhr
 
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So are you saying that we shouldn't have weird things in elementary schools? Like gay teachers, or transvestites? You said that it's about building their foundation -- so it shouldn't matter who's teaching them, but what they are being taught. I highly doubt that this teacher is going to be teaching these children the trials, tribulations and joys of being transgendered.
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Old Dec 18, 02
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I feel sorry for this dude's kids.

The other kids must tease the shit out of them.
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Old Dec 18, 02
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I'm not gonna get into the whole thing about why i think sex changes are wrong. But if you are going to the extreme as to change your sex, i think you have other issues that you need to deal with besides teach young innocent children.
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Old Dec 19, 02
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Originally posted by StoNeY
I'm not gonna get into the whole thing about why i think sex changes are wrong. But if you are going to the extreme as to change your sex, i think you have other issues that you need to deal with besides teach young innocent children.
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Old Dec 24, 02
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Originally posted by bob
children don't need to grow up any faster than they already are. we're all seeing the results of introducing homosexuality, heterosexuality, STDs, etc. into the classroom at such young ages. the result is 10 year old teeny boppers, 11 year old toothpick chicks, and pre-teen thugs.

there have been 11-year-old "toothpick chicks" for decades.
society's standard of beauty for women is nothing new and nothing that has been recently introduced. it also has nothing
to do with "introducing homosexuality into the classroom".

i'm not certain what connection you are drawing between "teeny boppers" and "pre-teen thugs" and children having been educated about sex in schools, either.

please explain.


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you may not think that introducing a new form of sexual identity into the classroom has any effect on kids like the ones i listed above, and you might not be wrong in a direct sense. but if you look at the big picture; what are they trying to achieve by raising the bar for a child's education? the bottom line is, they're trying to shorten the lifespan of "childhood". the one thing that a lot of people cling onto for the bulk of their lives.

i think we should let children have they're time to be kids. i don't see what the rush is to get kids out of the wading pool and into the ocean.

the kids are already in the ocean. they need a life preserver.

educating your child does not mean that they don't have "time to be kids". i don't see how encouraging naivete and ignorance in children is a good thing.


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as dirty fucken ravers, you all should appreciate the joys of being a child. acting like a child, living carefree, having no worries, and so on.

i have never lived carefree or had no worries. in fact, my youth was far more tormented than my adult life... in large part because the adults around me didn't talk to me honestly.



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learning about things like a sex change is not going to better anything for a child's development. yes, i think people do need to learn the facts, and grow aware of the world around them. but in elementary school? they're taking enough time away from a child's math lesson to teach them about homosexuality, etc... soon enough we'll have a world full of sex addicts who don't know how to read/write/add/subtract.

please explain how telling a kid what homosexuality is makes them a "sex addict".

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elementary school is not about teaching life skills. elementary school is about building a foundation for children's education, so they can be successful in high school, university, and in their professions.

why is teaching children to be a cog in the machine valuable?


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most 8 year old kids aren't even allowed out past dark. so what the fuck do they need to know about the world around them?

what else *could they possibly need to know about*?

this philosophy is completely foreign to me
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Old Dec 24, 02
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word on groovinkim...kids aren't suddenly become crackheads or sex addicts because their teacher is transgendered. if anything itll teach them to me more accepting of the different types of people in this world. the only problem i would have with my kid being taught by a transgenderd teacher, is the fact that it would probably confuse the shit out of them. but its not gonna make them gay, or into thugs. its the parents fault if the kids are fucked up, the teachers should be there only to tteach, not raise a child, thats the parent's responsibility.

i don't see how introducing the concept of homosexuality has lead to preteen gangbangers and all the shit that bob is talking about. Surrey is a fucked up shithole, full of fucked up half witted people, of course their going to raise fucked up kids. Ignorant people raise ignorant kids.
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Old Dec 24, 02
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as to the comment about the transgendered teacher needing to sort things out for herself before returning to the classroom, many people do not realize that before even applying for gender-reassignment surgery, the client is forced to go through many years of counselling. it isn't just a spur of the moment decision.

personally i find most of the attitude in this thread disgusting. people are ignorant.
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Old Dec 24, 02
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I've never applied so I'm not sure how extensive the study would be. From my standpoint being a man/woman takes many years to achieve and studying a handbook to learn the opposite seems like learning to fly online, sure you can get the plane off the ground but lets see you have a flawless track record without hitting a tradetower. Also in regards to future partners, how many times is the "I used to be a man/woman" story going to have to be explained to unsuspecting members of the opposite sex. I think it's deceptive to most partners and it could eventually ruin someones life or end up on Oprah.

On the other hand I really think it depends on the indivdual and their integrity. I've never met the applicant so i don't know what he/she is all about. I'd need to understand the benefits of choosing one sex over the other. For instance, why is it so crucial he/she changes? Are you going to die if you don't get the operation? Do you have a penis lodged in the side of your leg? Like whats the dilly-yo?? :)

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Old Dec 28, 02
Kuckucksuhr
 
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I think for a lot of people they become convinced that they would be better off physically being the opposite sex. Perhaps they already have the mindset of the opposite sex and want to complete the package (literally). I imagine it's a real difficult experience for the person and people trying to crucify them isn't helping.

We say that the children aren't ready for it when they're young, but when are they going to be ready for it? Are we going to hide it from them until their 16-17 and then hit them with all these things that we never told them about when they were young.

I say bravo to the teacher for having the courage to do something like this. Maybe we aren't ready for it right now, but it will soon be time for society to be a little more accepting.

-CN
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